Diff between Win 70 XTR and Supergrade ?
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If memory serves the M-70 XTR was older grade (80's vintage) that had a high gloss finish stock and is push feed.
The current M-70 Super Grade has the control round feed bolt system and much nicer cosmetics.
In this case "google" is your buddy. Winchesters web site will give the specs and pictures of the SG. Iam surprised you haven't looked there already.
The current M-70 Super Grade has the control round feed bolt system and much nicer cosmetics.
In this case "google" is your buddy. Winchesters web site will give the specs and pictures of the SG. Iam surprised you haven't looked there already.
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I like the the latest model 70's from FN. I've bought a few Super-Grades last few years and I think they are the best overall. Have a 90's Super-Grade that is nice but not quite as well finished as latest ones.
Geoff
I like the the latest model 70's from FN. I've bought a few Super-Grades last few years and I think they are the best overall. Have a 90's Super-Grade that is nice but not quite as well finished as latest ones.
Geoff
On the contrary. Spend abit of time on Google searching XTR and what they are/were. Im up on the " New " Supergrades of today. Very highly rated. I just cannot find a comparision of the differences.
I did say if memory serves. Sorry if I can't remember every configuration Winchester came out with. My gun book library does contain most Winchester catologues back into the sixties but I did not dig them all out to answer your question.
I do remember that Winchester brought out the XTR grade in several models of there guns. Trying to compete with Brownings new high gloss finish for the most part.
Winchester has used the Super Grade designation off and on for many years
The XTR designation lasted several years, it was all cosmetics as I recall. If there was satin finishes on some that could very well have been. I think the reason your not finding any written comparisons on the XTR and SG is that it would have been a boring read.
I do remember that Winchester brought out the XTR grade in several models of there guns. Trying to compete with Brownings new high gloss finish for the most part.
Winchester has used the Super Grade designation off and on for many years
The XTR designation lasted several years, it was all cosmetics as I recall. If there was satin finishes on some that could very well have been. I think the reason your not finding any written comparisons on the XTR and SG is that it would have been a boring read.
I have a Win 70 XTR .30-06 with 24" barrel. It is a push feed and mfg in 1984. Here's the best pics I have of it:
It's a nice rifle and a great shooter. Although, it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the new supergrades with CRF.
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It's a nice rifle and a great shooter. Although, it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the new supergrades with CRF.
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I have a Win 70 XTR .30-06 with 24" barrel. It is a push feed and mfg in 1984. Here's the best pics I have of it:
It's a nice rifle and a great shooter. Although, it certainly doesn't hold a candle to the new supergrades with CRF.
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Dumb question... and since Ive not had the opportunity to compare each one side by side.. but, is the action, receiver and bolt (other than being jewelled on some ) the same ? When you say it doesnt hold a candle (the new SG's, other than cosmetic, why do you prefer the SG ???
Sounds like you were abit offended. Didnt mean to come off like that. My appologies.
I have a model 70 feather weight XTR in 30-06 manufactured in the 70s and it has one of the nicest stocks I've ever seen on any rifle. I have a nice Cooper here and I would say it's not as nice. Mind you I'm not a wood connoisseur and I tend to buy my rifles with synthetic stocks.
72mustang
No offence taken.
The M-70's with the push feed bolt design was implimented as a cost cutting measure by Winchester. My 1973 M-70 was push feed, and to tell you the truth it worked flawlessly, was easy to clean, and the gun was very accurate. I never seen a need for the control round feed system.
All of the newer manufacture M-70's are of the control round feed system, which makes the bolt mechanics more intricate. The only issue I have with the new M-70's is that big honking extractor makes it very difficult to impossible to load a single round into the chamber and close the bolt.
In fact the owners manual states single rounds should be fed up from the mag to avoid difficulty in closing the bolt. I have a new featherweight in .243 and you can not feed single rounds into the chamber and close the bolt.
The M-70 made and established it's infamous reputation on the control round feed system and there was die hard grass roots effort to get it back after Wichester discontinued it. Perserverance finally prevailed.
The new Super Grade is a very nice rifle all the way around. High lustre blue, higher grade stock wood, with sculpted cheek piece, recessed sling mounts. It is one very nice gun for the money.
Several years back I tried and couldn't find a M-70 SG in 30-06 so I bought a Kimber 8400 Classic Select with the french walnut in 30-06. Nice rifle, very pricy compared to the M-70 SG, and I experienced feeding issues with it which are now solved but never should have arisen in my opinion in the first place.
Since eye balling and handling the Super Grade I will have one as I like it better than my Kimber which is a dam nice rifle in it's own right.
You can feed single rounds into the chamber of the Kimber and close the bolt as smooth as glass unlike the M-70.
So to try and answer your question in a nut shell the XTR M-70 is probably of a push feed bolt (for a couple years Win offered both configurations) design and it will be dressed in nice wood and general cosmetics.
The new Supergrades will be of control round feed bolt design and will have superior wood and blued finish with pachmar recoil pads and other little high end cosmetics.
Shoot a moose with either one and he won't be able to tell you the difference.
No offence taken.
The M-70's with the push feed bolt design was implimented as a cost cutting measure by Winchester. My 1973 M-70 was push feed, and to tell you the truth it worked flawlessly, was easy to clean, and the gun was very accurate. I never seen a need for the control round feed system.
All of the newer manufacture M-70's are of the control round feed system, which makes the bolt mechanics more intricate. The only issue I have with the new M-70's is that big honking extractor makes it very difficult to impossible to load a single round into the chamber and close the bolt.
In fact the owners manual states single rounds should be fed up from the mag to avoid difficulty in closing the bolt. I have a new featherweight in .243 and you can not feed single rounds into the chamber and close the bolt.
The M-70 made and established it's infamous reputation on the control round feed system and there was die hard grass roots effort to get it back after Wichester discontinued it. Perserverance finally prevailed.
The new Super Grade is a very nice rifle all the way around. High lustre blue, higher grade stock wood, with sculpted cheek piece, recessed sling mounts. It is one very nice gun for the money.
Several years back I tried and couldn't find a M-70 SG in 30-06 so I bought a Kimber 8400 Classic Select with the french walnut in 30-06. Nice rifle, very pricy compared to the M-70 SG, and I experienced feeding issues with it which are now solved but never should have arisen in my opinion in the first place.
Since eye balling and handling the Super Grade I will have one as I like it better than my Kimber which is a dam nice rifle in it's own right.
You can feed single rounds into the chamber of the Kimber and close the bolt as smooth as glass unlike the M-70.
So to try and answer your question in a nut shell the XTR M-70 is probably of a push feed bolt (for a couple years Win offered both configurations) design and it will be dressed in nice wood and general cosmetics.
The new Supergrades will be of control round feed bolt design and will have superior wood and blued finish with pachmar recoil pads and other little high end cosmetics.
Shoot a moose with either one and he won't be able to tell you the difference.
And that my friends is the answer I have been waiting for. Thank you.
