Difference in accuracy, a tale of 2 primers

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Ok, I thought this was just fascinating, and I don't really understand why this is the case. I was out at the range this morning testing some loads, and one of the test was mainly to check for differences in velocity and durability of primers. The primers I was testing was the CCI BR2 and the Remington 9.5M in 308 Win.

Regarding durability, I was mainly doing so for finding a load my rifle wouldn't pierce (also a part of providing evidence for warranty repairs). Regarding accuracy though, this is where things got interesting. My loads were with the Barnes 130 grain TSX bullet and Varget gun powder. As expected, my accuracy was awesome with all the match stuff. Hornady 308 match brass, never fired, CCI BR2 primer, balance beam measured loads and COAL's measured within +- 0.001". I was typically getting around 1 to 1.5 MOA accuracy. Not too bad for the Kel Tec RFB.

Now switch to Remington 9.5M. Same powder loads, brass and seating depth as the CCI primed cartridges, but a very different result. Typically, for the same load, I was getting slightly higher velocities, but only by an average of about 10 fps, though things were a little more erratic. My accuracy went down the pooper and in a big way. IT was consistently like this too.

Consistently, I can get within 1.5 MOA with CCI, but consistently, I am 4 MOA or more with Remington. Not sure why this would be the case, but it was repeatable. Would it have to do with Remington quality itself? Could there be an issue with running a magnum primer over a standard one?
 
I have noted a huge accuracy loss in 6.5 swede when switching to magnum primers. Read somewhere this can be because they bump the bullet ahead before full powder ignition with regular capacity cartridges. Varget is my powder of choice in 6.5 so likely a simular situation. I cannot prove it, but do know I am not the only one to experience an accuracy loss with med case/mag primer combo!
 
The BR means Bench Rest. Also means more consistent and better QC. However, unless your manual says to use magnum primers for a particular powder, you don't need 'em. They can cause pressure changes.
Kind of like to see your post stickied as proof of the requirement to work up the load again after changing any one component.
What rifle is piercing primers? Just curious.
 
You are kinda "testing" two completely different primers. The cci br primers will obviously give more consistent ignition. And you really don't need magnum remingtons either, there's your pressure peaks. Try some rem 9.5 non magnum (br if you can find them). I use rem primers exclusively in small and large with no issue and great results.
 
Only reason I have the 9.5M primers is because they were the only LR primers available at the shop I was at when I got them. Also, they were meant to be used for a different cartridge, but it is a cartridge I don't shoot very much of, so I have 700 or so 9.5M primers and a quickly dwindling supply of BR2 primers for 308, so I was hoping to try and substitute for my plinking loads. Problem now is the accuracy loss I get even out to 100m isn't worth it. I'm now considering CCI #200 for plinking and BR2 for hunting/target. Just gotta find some... :D
 
The 9.5M is a magnum primer, and isn't really prudent for typical loads, under most conditions, in a .308. The CCI BR-2 is a great primer, very uniform, and seems to produce that fine balance of just enough for reliable ignition, without unnecessary violence inside the cartridge case. You might notice an accuracy improvement using the Remington 9.5M primers if you switched to W-760/H-414 and 180 gr TSXs.
 
Remington ran our American Lake City Army Amunition Plant from 1941 until 1985 and the majority of this ammunition was loaded with Wincheaster ball powder. When I load anything with ball powder it gets a Remington primer.

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When you look at the 7 1/2 photo below think of a 16 inch AR15 rifle and burning more of the powder.

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In my AR15 rifles when loading double base ball powders I use the Remington 7 1/2 primer, when loading single base powders in my .223 bolt action I use the BR4.

The Remington primers are called baby flame throwers for a reason and work very well on harder to ignite double base ball powders.

And the "Doors" in 1967 sang "Light My Fire" and Remington listened to the song. :rockOn:
 
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