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I am new to long range shooting and not real experienced in handloading. I have been using hornady brass in my 6.5 cm. Why do so many people say it is poor brass compared to lapua? Does it stretch more,meaning trim more often? primer pockets expanding? What are the reasons? I apologize if this has been discussed already.
 
I read an article that said Lapua brass isn't all that people make it out to be, it's good stuff don't get me wrong. I'll see if I can find the article. Didn't hear that about Hornady brass but head Federal is softer of the bunch.
 
I read an article that said Lapua brass isn't all that people make it out to be. I'll see if I can find the article. Didn't hear that about Hornady brass but head Federal is softer of the bunch.

Like to see that as well.. Brass quality views seem to drive many discussions..
 
The Finnish made Lupua brass is used by competitive shooters because of its quality. It is more consistent in uniform case wall thickness, weight and internal capacity. Meaning shooters have to nothing or very little to the brass in preparation for shooting.

On the flip side of this if you have a standard factory rifle using Lupua brass might be like putting high test gas in a car that runs on regular gas.
 
On the flip side of this if you have a standard factory rifle using Lupua brass might be like putting high test gas in a car that runs on regular gas.


I disagree with that analogy. I believe you will get the most consistent results using the most consistent components. If your analogy was, it would be like putting racing tires on your Chevette, then I would agree. The performance increase may not be worth the added cost but the gains would still be measurable and quite possibly significant. Your brass is the most variable component in your reloading recipe.
 
If a person is into some very high level competition, perhaps the difference would be noticeable but in a hunting situation or even the average shooter punching paper, I doubt it. It is one of those things that undoubtedly provides a gain on paper/computer but in the real world...I suspect it's to a very very limited group.
 
Being accurate has more to do with the shooters ability and confidence. If you are more confident in your abilities, you will shoot better. Most people will gain confidence when they trust their equipment, and components. If using high end brass gives you more confidence, use it, it will pay off.
 
I get confidence from hitting the target ;) If a person shoots better because they think their more expensive components are more accurate, I'd suggest they need to spend more time shooting. If their more expensive components make their loads more accurate then that's a different story.
 
I'm just waiting for Sunray to come along to tell you that your brass is junk, your barrel is junk, your junk is junk, and you're doing it all wrong anyway. And offer nothing of any value whatsoever.....:jerkit:

Geoff, I've shot Hornady brass a lot in the past but have since succumbed somewhat to marketing and curiousity. I don't recall being dissatisfied with the brass - and I've shot some pretty good groups and had good life from them. To be perfectly honest, I think I've had more trouble with Winchester brass than Hornady (mind you, my lifetime use between the two is probably on the order of 10:1 in favour of Win).

I think it's all a matter of application. You're hitting targets at 1420 yards now, albeit not 100% but I doubt "better" brass is going to improve that percentage much, if any. Keep pounding away with that cheap, substandard sh!t until they come apart - maybe by that time there will be other Creedmore brass options out there to satisfy curiousity for you.

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I prefer to use Lapua brass whenever possible, because it is very uniform, and it tends to last longer than most other brass. I used one batch of Hornady 223rem brass, and it didn't last nearly as long as the Lapua brass does.
 
I disagree with that analogy. I believe you will get the most consistent results using the most consistent components. If your analogy was, it would be like putting racing tires on your Chevette, then I would agree. The performance increase may not be worth the added cost but the gains would still be measurable and quite possibly significant. Your brass is the most variable component in your reloading recipe.

Anyone is welcome to disagree with my analogy, I have a Stevens 200 .223 rifle which I will call a cheaper economy car that burns regular gas. I sorted Remington cases by weight and then sorted these by internal H2O capacity, I uniformed the primer pockets, turned the necks etc. I then fired groups with the sorted cartridges and groups with unsorted cases and there was no major differences.

You can put high test gas in a economy car, you can put wheels off a Corvette on your economy car but in the end you still have a economy car.

Bottom line, someone with a custom rifle, with a custom barrel with a tighter chamber will get better results with the more costly Lupua brass. I'm retired, I have been reloading for over 46 years and you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

Below the throat of a brand new button rifled Savage factory barrel.

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Below the bore two inches from the muzzle on the same new button rifled Savage factory barrel.

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The bore of a costly custom hand lapped barrel.

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Below, a Savage factory barrel before and after fire lapping.

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The next thing your going to tell me is if I put a $3000.00 dollar scope on my Stevens 200 it will shoot tighter groups.

Canadian_Zuk, I understand what you are saying but I do not own any rifles worthy of spending the money on Lupua brass when I can make due with cheaper brass.

I own standard factory rifles and I can reload them and make them shoot tighter groups, "BUT" they are not a Ferrari or Lamborghini and never will be. And the average guy with a average factory rifle doesn't need to spend the money on costly Lupua brass.

Below is a small section from the .243 cartridge at Accurate Shooter, please take note the "average" shooter/reloader does not have a costly rifle like is being used below.

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.243 Win For Tactical Comps

We asked GA Precision’s George Gardner why he chose .243 Winchester for his Tactical Comp Gun. He replied, “Why would I run anything else? Think about it. I’m sending a .585 BC 115 at 3150 fps–that’ll shoot inside the 6XC and .260 Rem with ease. I’m pretty sure I have found the Holy Grail of Comp Rifles. There are no brass issues like you can get forming .260 brass. I don’t have to worry about doughnuts, reaming necks–none of that. And the choice in brass is great too–run Lapua if you want max reloads and great accuracy. Run Winchester if you’re on a budget, and so you won’t cry if you lose some cases in a match. I can get 10-round mags, and feeding is 100% reliable, since the case is identical to a .308 except for the neck. Accuracy-wise, I don’t think I’m giving up anything to the .260 Rem or the 6XC.” We then asked George if he’d considered using a .243 AI instead: “Yeah, the cases look cool with that 40° shoulder, but I think the standard .243 feeds a little better. And I don’t think I really need the extra performance of an improved case. Run the ballistics for my load–115 moly DTAC at 3150 fps. You’ve got less windage than a 2950 fps 6.5-284, with cheaper brass, cheaper dies, cheaper bullets, and less recoil.”


243 Win Cartridge Guide
http://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/243win/
 
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