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I am new to this sport, I have been shooting clays in my backyard for about 2 months now and last weekend went to my first event at Galt. It was tons of fun and I want to get more into this, but have some questions.
I currently own 3 Shotguns, a Winchester 1400, a Remington 887 and a 20 Gauge Semi (just inherited it and dont know the brand).
I have read reviews on the Winchester 1400 and apparently it isnt the greatest gun, I have read that a Remington 1100 would be a good gun. My question is why? what makes it a better gun, will I hit more targets simply by purchasing this gun, is my Winchester handicapping me?

In the past 4 days I have gone through about 500 rounds between the Winchester and the Remington and I have noticed I am getting better. I purchased a Do All White Wing yesterday to replace my manual thrower.

I plan on going visiting some local clubs and will probably take some lessons to get better as well, any other suggestions are welcome.
 
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A gun wouldn't help or hinder you greatly per se, unless there's a fit problem. You MAY find that pump may be a bit slower for true pairs, but I've seen some pretty good scores from old M37 and m12s.

I cannot comment about 1100s first hand but have heard reliability issues coming from Rem in the past few years. Most people you see will be shooting berrettas, so I'm incline to say that it'll be a better gun for you if you are incline to buy a new one. Backyard clay is different in that you only gonna have a few presentations, unlike on a clay course, you aren't gonna get 80' tower shots or teal and crosser pairs etc.
 
The only way the 1400 might be holding you back slightly is if it has a fixed full choke. Otherwise if your gun fits, hits where you look and functions reliably then it isn't holding you back at all.

Targets are dumb. They don't know whether the shooter is using a beat up pump guns worth $100 or a $30,000 dollar Krieghoff (and both were on the range at the DU shoot last weekend.)

Many shooters have thought they could buy better scores by rushing out and buying another, often more expensive gun. Many of those same shooters learned the expensive lesson that it doesn't work that way.

Don't think about a new gun just yet. Think about getting some lessons, practicing and trying other guns to find the one you like and works best for you.
 
Nothing 'wrong' with the 1400. If you know the gun's point of impact and understand lead, any shotgun will do the job. There's nothing magic about the 1100's ability to hit targets. That's up to the shooter.
 
Thanks for the information, the Winchester has an adjustable choke so I can twist the top of it and change from one setting to another. The Pump I am selling to a friend and will focus on just using the Winchester for now.

Another related question, where can you get BULK ammo? I am currently buying the 100 packs from Canadian Tire, but there must be a better deal if I could purchase 1500 - 2000 at a time? Where can you buy large quantities of ammo for a good price?

Clays seem to be a good price at Bass Pro.
 
Many years ago(many, many), when i was starting out in trap shooting and had very limited funds, I saved up and had to make the same choice as you, Win, or Rem. semi. The instant that i put the 1100 up to my shoulder, I knew that was the one, It just fit me right. I got quite good with that 1100 and only changed many years later when it started to break down. I guess what I'm saying is, get the one that fits the best and practice, practice.
 
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Thanks for the information, the Winchester has an adjustable choke so I can twist the top of it and change from one setting to another. The Pump I am selling to a friend and will focus on just using the Winchester for now.

Another related question, where can you get BULK ammo? I am currently buying the 100 packs from Canadian Tire, but there must be a better deal if I could purchase 1500 - 2000 at a time? Where can you buy large quantities of ammo for a good price?

Clays seem to be a good price at Bass Pro.
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Tough to tell exactly where you are, but I assume KW area if you are shooting at Galt.

Based on that, Lebaron in Miss. sells Winchester Target Loads for about 60$ a flat.

Lawrys sells Federal, I believe, not sure on their pricing, drop them a line: http://www.lawryshootingsports.com/
 
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ULELUZE said:
I am new to this sport, I have been shooting clays in my backyard for about 2 months now and last weekend went to my first event at Galt. It was tons of fun and I want to get more into this, but have some questions.
I currently own 3 Shotguns, a Winchester 1400, a Remington 887 and a 20 Gauge Semi (just inherited it and dont know the brand).
I have read reviews on the Winchester 1400 and apparently it isnt the greatest gun, I have read that a Remington 1100 would be a good gun. My question is why? what makes it a better gun, will I hit more targets simply by purchasing this gun, is my Winchester handicapping me?

In the past 4 days I have gone through about 500 rounds between the Winchester and the Remington and I have noticed I am getting better. I purchased a Do All White Wing yesterday to replace my manual thrower.

I plan on going visiting some local clubs and will probably take some lessons to get better as well, any other suggestions are welcome.
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I can't comment on the other guns you have, but I can definitely comment on a Remington 1100. I have been using the same Rem 1100 to shoot skeet and trap since I am 14 years old, and currently use it as well for sporting clays and hunting. It has been nothing but reliable for me. Bear in mind that I shoot at least 100 rounds every weekend as well as use it in 13 - 15 competitions per year. That's alot of rounds through one gun in 25+ years. With a Rem 1100, you must be diligent in cleaning it after each and every session - give it a good wipe and use nothing but Rem Oil. Of course, every once in awhile you'll get the occasional jam or misfeed, but alot of times I find it's the cheaper shells that will give you problems, not the gun.

Because the Rem 1100 is an autoloader, you will have lots more time to get those doubles in comparison to having to remember to work the action of a Pump shotgun. Also, the Rem 1100 will have less recoil than a pump or over and under because it uses some of the gas to operate the action, which results in less "kick".

Will using it make you hit more targets? Depends. First you must find out if the gun fits you properly by patterning it. If you don't hold that shotgun in the same position and weld your cheek to the stock each and every time, I can guarantee you'll miss with that gun as well as any other you use. Also depends on the chokes you use and the distance you are shooting. You need at least (and I stress at least) three chokes with any shotgun you'll use to shoot clay targets - Improved Cylinder, Modified and Full (and preferably Skeet as well). There are really too many variables to go into here.

Your best bet would be to go to your local gun club and shoot a few rounds of regular skeet and trap with a Rem 1100. The Members there can give you pointers on what to do and how to shoot. Remember - it's not the gun that's missing the birds - it's the shooter. It takes practice, practice and more practice. Try different shotguns as well - The more of them you try, the better an idea you'll get as to what may be the best one for you. That way you won't waste you $$$.

Hope this helps!
 
In Newmarket? You can come down to Markham, we also have a lebaron and it's stacked with target ammo right now, I just got 4 cases for the summer last week.
 
The 1100 is a fine gun, but in general there is nothing wrong with the 1400. It's as good a place to start as any. What Ben and CB say is bang on.
 
ULELUZE said:
I am new to this sport, I have been shooting clays in my backyard for about 2 months now and last weekend went to my first event at Galt. It was tons of fun and I want to get more into this, but have some questions.
I currently own 3 Shotguns, a Winchester 1400, a Remington 887 and a 20 Gauge Semi (just inherited it and dont know the brand).
I have read reviews on the Winchester 1400 and apparently it isnt the greatest gun, I have read that a Remington 1100 would be a good gun. My question is why? what makes it a better gun, will I hit more targets simply by purchasing this gun, is my Winchester handicapping me?

In the past 4 days I have gone through about 500 rounds between the Winchester and the Remington and I have noticed I am getting better. I purchased a Do All White Wing yesterday to replace my manual thrower.

I plan on going visiting some local clubs and will probably take some lessons to get better as well, any other suggestions are welcome.
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What the others say about the 1100.
Let me know when you are in the market for one !:D
Cat
 
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So the 20 Gauge Semi ended up being a 20 Gauge Over Under, Winchester 101 (Japan). Being a 20 Gauge it is probably not the best for me to use yet, but I think you can get other barrels for this gun (not sure about a 12), maybe that would be a good idea. I have not shot this gun yet just grabbed it yesterday but it feels really nice.
 
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So the 20 Gauge Semi ended up being a 20 Gauge Over Under, Winchester 101 (Japan). Being a 20 Gauge it is probably not the best for me to use yet, but I think you can get other barrels for this gun (not sure about a 12), maybe that would be a good idea. I have not shot this gun yet just grabbed it yesterday but it feels really nice.
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You'll like that 101 I'm sure, they were a well made gun.....
Cat
 
So on Sunday I went to Toronto International Skeet got a membership and played 6 games of Trap. I did AWFUL! I was using the Remington and got anywhere from 6-8 out of 25!
As soon as I left that day I went to Bass Pro looked at a bunch of guns, I really liked the Beretta 686E Sporting, but the Browning Citori Sporting 625 was even nicer, I almost left with that gun but wanted to have a cool down period to think it over. I came on here, read some reviews and end up deciding on a Browning Cynergy Sporting Composite. I picked it up on Monday and went to play another game on yesterday. I did only one game of Trap and got 19. I cant wait to spend more time with this gun and get even better.

I thought the Remington fit me well, but after holding the Cynergy I dont think I will ever pick up the Remington again, I think as mentioned earlier in this post it wasnt that this new gun shoots better, I think it just fits me that much better!
 
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I thought the Remington fit me well, but after holding the Cynergy I dont think I will ever pick up the Remington again, I think as mentioned earlier in this post it wasnt that this new gun shoots better, I think it just fits me that much better!
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The longer I play this game and the more I learn, the more I am coming to think fit, i.e. the gun shooting where I'm looking, is the main thing. Certainly there are a lot of good shooters that say this. I don't think it's so much that one can't shoot a gun that doesn't fit, but it's harder to do and harder to be consistent with it, at least that's what I'm finding. So, anytime I'm shooting such a gun, my old Citori is one, the slightest let down will lead to a miss and it's easier to let down with it because you have to concentrate on so many things (vicious cycle). One of my friends bought a Cynergy about 8 months ago and his experience has been the same as yours. The love affair hasn't ended yet.:)
 
ULELUZE said:
So the 20 Gauge Semi ended up being a 20 Gauge Over Under, Winchester 101 (Japan). Being a 20 Gauge it is probably not the best for me to use yet, but I think you can get other barrels for this gun (not sure about a 12), maybe that would be a good idea. I have not shot this gun yet just grabbed it yesterday but it feels really nice.
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You can not get a 12 gauge barrel for your 101-20 unless it was part of a 4 barrel set built on a 12 gauge frame. Any extra barrels for the 101 are not readily available.
 
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