Different Shotgun Chokes

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Wondering if anyone can explain the differences and uses of the variety of chokes available for shotguns .

I plan on using a shotgun for upland and migratory bird hunting and possibly
Deer hunting . Which chokes would I most likely use for those purposes ?
Thanks !
 
Chokes change the size of the pattern depending on distance. Also what choke you use will depend on exactly what you are hunting, how close it is coming in and how good of a shot you are.
 
OP - What I say here is vey high level because getting into too much detail may create an info overload at this early stage in the learning curve ...... :)

First of all, as far as the use of a smoothbore shotgun may be concerned there are multiple variables that must be taken into consideration. Obviously, that would be dependent on the type of scenarios whether hunting and/or clay shooting etc that may need to be addressed.

Secondly, patterning a shotgun is the best and most effective process in order to determine which particular choke/load (shell) combo may offer optimized performance at certain distances in terms of various hunting or clay shooting situations one may expect to encounter. You may wish to Google the topic on patterning a shotgun.

Lastly, at this point in time, the following visuals may help you relate a little better to some of the different types of chokes and their generally suggested uses from a perspective of hunting. Again, it would help to bear in mind that the info is being presented at 30,000ft level simply to offer an initial idea.



 
Thanks
So the longer the shot, the tighter you would want ur pattern ( more constricted choke) .Makes sense. I screenshot those diagrams! Thanks
 
Tjv787 IMPORTANT...as it seems you are inexperienced in shotgun shooting...Please take note the charts above are for typical results for using lead shot and not steel shot. Steel shot been much harder then lead shot will not compress together as easily when shot through chokes. The general consensus is that when shooting steel you should go to one choke sized larger (eg. For "Full" choke results use a 'Modified" choke). Steel shot should never be used in any "Full" or tighter choked guns (including screw in choke equipped guns) unless they are rated for steel shot use or you could bulge or worse blow up the barrel.

Jim
 
Absolutely! Excellent point above!

OP - it is important that you learn about the requirements for using steel vs. lead ammo (remember the mention of variables earlier). If you are presently exploring for a shotgun then it would be prudent to invest in something that would be capable of handling both lead and steel ammo.
 
K.I.S.S. For upland, use Imp. Cyl. For waterfowl, use Imp. Cyl. For slugs on deer, use Imp. cyl.

For a slug use a choke?!? Uhh isnt that a dangerous idea :s

So steel shot can't be compressed as much due to safety ....gotcha
How would I know if a shotgun can use lead and / or steel shot?
Would a modified choke be safe for lead and steel then. Tighter pattern but not to restricted?
Would u use steel buck shot in a modified choke? Or is that a bad idea ?
 
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Once more, high level info only …… :)

For a slug use a choke?!? Uhh isnt that a dangerous idea :s

On the contrary, that is actually the safe idea if the intent is to use slugs particularly in a shotgun barrel equipped with screw-in choke tubes otherwise one would risk damaging the threads.

Regardless of choke type used i.e. whether screw-in and/or fixed chokes (including "selector" type chokes visible on many older model single bbl guns - consult Google) - usually best performance is achieved with slugs via the more open chokes - example: IC, CYL etc generally in that order.

However, with some guns even Mod may work well. Normally, the tighter constrictions do not deliver the performance required for reasonably accurate shooting with slugs.

I'm not aware of buckshot being offered in steel at this time. Anyway, with buckshot (i.e. lead) the principal of using a more open choke will generally be applicable. However, the stronger recommendation here would be to use slug instead of buckshot for hunting big game as that will be more ethical in most circumstances.

How would I know if a shotgun can use lead and / or steel shot?

Lead shot:
Modern day shotguns will usually handle all types of lead ammo. However, there are also numerous far more older (yet still considered modern per certain standards) shotguns in existence that may not be able to properly withstand the pressures generated by the modern lead shot shell and will be deemed as unsafe to use in that manner. Nevertheless, such firearms (provided those are also in sound condition) could still be used effectively with the appropriate lead ammo suitable for those types of shotguns. Again, there are variables involved that would need to be clearly understood.

Steel shot:
Most (although not all) current production shotguns will be equipped with screw-in chokes and/or generally compatible with steel ammo. Firearm manufacturers will usually state the same in their product literature. Moreover, many brands will also stamp choke tubes to indicate what may or may not be compatible for use with steel ammo.

There are also older model shotguns (with fixed chokes) in existence that may be made compatible for use with steel ammo. In such cases, normally a gunsmith may need to ream out an existing tight choke in order to convert that to a more open choke that is suitable for steel shot.

Bottomline, if you are faced with uncertainty when selecting a shotgun – don’t be reluctant to pose all relevant questions at the store/seller regarding the firearm.
 
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I guess the next question is what kind of shotgun are you looking at? Remember to keep in mind alot of older fixed choke guns weren't designed with steel shot in mind and not all screw-in chokes are made to handle steel either.
 
For a slug use a choke?!? Uhh isnt that a dangerous idea :s

From the Remington website:

https://support.remington.com/General_Information/What_choke_tubes_are_suggested_for_slugs%3F

f you are using a Foster style rifled slug like the Slugger Rifled Slugs, Slugger Managed-Recoil Rifled Slugs, or Slugger High Velocity Slugs, we recommend using a smooth bore barrel with an improved cylinder choke tube.

Rifled Slug:
rifled_slug.png
Imp Cyl tube:
Improved_cylinder.png
 
Steel shot:
Most (although not all) current production shotguns will be equipped with screw-in chokes and/or generally compatible with steel ammo. Firearm manufacturers will usually state the same in their product literature. Moreover, many brands will also stamp choke tubes to indicate what may or may not be compatible for use with steel ammo.

There are also older model shotguns (with fixed chokes) in existence that may be made compatible for use with steel ammo. In such cases, normally a gunsmith may need to ream out an existing tight choke in order to convert that to a more open choke that is suitable for steel shot.

Bottom line, if you are faced with uncertainty when selecting a shotgun – don’t be reluctant to pose all relevant questions at the store/seller regarding the firearm.

I really think we need a "myth busters" episode on modern (i.e. nitro-proofed) steel-barrelled (not damascus) shotguns and steel shot performance.

For starters, there is the patterning issue. As a rule of thumb, go one step more "open" for steel shot to pattern the (roughly) same diameter as lead. For example, a lead full choke will pattern pretty close to steel through a modified choke.

Now we look at older fixed choke guns. When steel shot came out, all the manufacturers put out literature that you needed to buy a new gun certified compatible with steel in order to shoot steel shot safely. A LOT of guns got sold this way. It tended to coincide, more or less, with the introduction of threaded choke tubes.

Now here's where a Mythbusters theme comes in. The manufacturers had a LOT to gain by convincing you the gear you've been running is no longer good enough. I remember this time well, I was big into duck hunting back then, and there was a TON of handwaving. My brother used an old Stevens 320 with a fixed full choke, and I was running a Winchester Model 1400 at the time. Mine was deemed "compatible", his was not. The old 1400 was a POS that always jammed with high-brass shells and only liked the cheap stuff, but that is another story. The bottom line is we just switched to steel and shot the guns as they were. Nothing bad happened and nobody's d!ck fell off. These were regular 2,3/4" steel loads, not high-velocity or "high performance" magnums or anything.

I hear this story over and over that older guns are "no good for steel". One of my friends is a (nameless) gunsmith of some repute. According to him, he's NEVER seen barrel damaged by steel shot use ULNESS it was a modern screw-in choke gun. And even then, it's typically when guys are using FULL (or tighter) chokes with ammo larger than BB. (which is stupid behaviour, but that's beside the point). I've been around a lot and I've yet to see an older gun ruined by steel shot using typical duck loads. Even BB and larger seems to do well through fixed modified chokes. As a general rule, I only shoot steel through modified or more open chokes, out of an abundance of caution. YMMV.

Show of hands - anyone here seen an older "modern" gun ruined by steel shot first hand?

By the way, Remington may be perhaps the least conservative of the older manufacturers in their recommendations as follows:

We do not recommend the use of steel shot through any barrel manufactured before 1963 or through any barrel having a fixed Full choke. Anything larger would not perform well out of a fixed full choke and could open up your muzzle over time.

If you have barrels manufactured after 1963, with fixed Modified or Improved Cylinder chokes, you may shoot up to size #2 steel shot. The use of steel shot larger than size #2 is only recommended in modern barrels with the Rem Choke system.

If you have the Rem Choke system, you may shoot any size steel through the Improved Cylinder and Modified choke tubes. The Full choke tube must state "For Steel or Lead" to be capable of handling steel shot.

Not sure why they picked 1963, but it's possible they changed steels or something at that point.
 
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I really think we need a "myth busters" episode on modern (i.e. nitro-proofed) steel-barrelled (not damascus) shotguns and steel shot performance.

Now here's where a Mythbusters theme comes in. The manufacturers had a LOT to gain by convincing you the gear you've been running is no longer good enough. I remember this time well, I was big into duck hunting back then, and there was a TON of handwaving. My brother used an old Stevens 320 with a fixed full choke, and I was running a Winchester Model 1400 at the time. Mine was deemed "compatible", his was not. The old 1400 was a POS that always jammed with high-brass shells and only liked the cheap stuff, but that is another story. The bottom line is we just switched to steel and shot the guns as they were. Nothing bad happened and nobody's d!ck fell off. These were regular 2,3/4" steel loads, not high-velocity or "high performance" magnums or anything.

I hear this story over and over that older guns are "no good for steel". One of my friends is a (nameless) gunsmith of some repute. According to him, he's NEVER seen barrel damaged by steel shot use ULNESS it was a modern screw-in choke gun. And even then, it's typically when guys are using FULL (or tighter) chokes with ammo larger than BB. (which is stupid behaviour, but that's beside the point). I've been around a lot and I've yet to see an older gun ruined by steel shot using typical duck loads. Even BB and larger seems to do well through fixed modified chokes. As a general rule, I only shoot steel through modified or more open chokes, out of an abundance of caution. YMMV.

Show of hands - anyone here seen an older "modern" gun ruined by steel shot first hand?

Depends on various factors, mainly has to do with the origin/make/type (and obviously condition) of a given shotgun. Individual experiences will always vary like so many other things in life.

Example - few years back, I was visiting my native country and one evening had stepped into a 61yr old gun shop that despite the harsh firearm regulations was/is surprisingly still in operation in that part of the world.

As I reminisced about old times with the present owner, two quite flustered looking individuals walked into the shop with takedown cases and wanted to speak to the gunsmith. They produced a couple 12ga boxlocks, one Ford the other a Webley – both were 30in long barreled guns from the 50s. Upon scrutiny, we noted that both barrels of the Ford and the left tube on the Webley were bulged. The Ford was choked F/M and the Webley F/IM.

From what I could gather from their story, the two brothers were using Winchester 2¾ inch #3 and #4 shells for ducks as they were apparently under the impression the smaller shot sizes couldn’t possibly cause damage. They even produced the same cartridges claiming that some were likely defective and thus caused the mishaps – because over the season, they did not encounter any issue. However, around the very end of the season both guns coincidentally developed those bulges!

Thinking back, I’m not too sure how many folks over here in NA will happily consent to volunteer such type of firearms in their collection as possible candidates for any myth busting ventures!
 
Ya, a vintage custom box lock SXS is not exactly what I had in mind by "modern". And shooting any steel through a full choke is a pretty bad idea. I don't even shoot steel through full Remchokes. Not even the FULL Remchokes certified for steel. Not thanks. Good way to ruin a barrel IMHO.
 
The 320 field version has 2 barrels . A longer barrel with a fixed modified choke and a short barrel with a fixed improved cylinder choke.
Looks like savage has read my mind ;)
 
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