- Location
- Vancouver Island BC
Savage is an accurate rifle , but Remington's are nicer and just as accurate and have more after market goodies.
dilemma!!
- Thread starter GameStalker30-06
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Get whatever turns your crank
remington/savage/ruger/winchester whatever , most of it is cut rate mass produced pushfeed and sometimes investment cast junk dropped into cheap injection molded plastic stocks assembled by american crackheads with grade nine educations and bought by the same folks that purchase junk produced by the chrysler corporation and mattel, or offshore chinese junk tools pedaled by cambodian tire.
Its your choice and it doesn't really matter, H-4831 hit the nail on the head
you'll get twenty different opinions all driven by the owners need to justify their own purchase or pointing out some feature that may mean the world to them but be utterly useless to you.
I think you could make a better choice than either of the rifles you selected, but in the end it is you that has to be happy with whatever you decide.
cheers
remington/savage/ruger/winchester whatever , most of it is cut rate mass produced pushfeed and sometimes investment cast junk dropped into cheap injection molded plastic stocks assembled by american crackheads with grade nine educations and bought by the same folks that purchase junk produced by the chrysler corporation and mattel, or offshore chinese junk tools pedaled by cambodian tire.
Its your choice and it doesn't really matter, H-4831 hit the nail on the head
you'll get twenty different opinions all driven by the owners need to justify their own purchase or pointing out some feature that may mean the world to them but be utterly useless to you.
I think you could make a better choice than either of the rifles you selected, but in the end it is you that has to be happy with whatever you decide.
cheers
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manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Somewhere in the Third World
the Rugers, and many Winchesters are CRF.
here we go again.
point me to one documented case of a Ruger M77 receiver failure due to its investment cast manufacturing.
a quality modern investment cast and heat-treated receiver is just as strong as a forged receiver. there have been hundreds of thousands sold over the decades and the M77 action has proven to be one of the safest and strongest actions on the market. please point us to anything other than conjecture to support your claim that investment cast is 'junk'.
some reading on cast vs forged:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=20673&page=5
It's all fun until someone picks on someone's favorite brand, then it's "get out the textbooks"! Kool-Aid at 5!
Cast parts may be perfectly fine for many applications but they are almost always specified only because they cost less to manufacture, not because they are better. Gibbs, Ive seen lots of turbine engines come apart in 24 years, newer blades are investment cast and still fail as do the forged hubs that retain them, usually due to overspeeds/overtemps/cycles that were beyond the design parameters of the parts. When cast parts fail it is usually quite spectacular and you end up with lots of small pieces , forgings in my experience even in failure tend to hold together far better usually bending instead of grenading.
Most american firearms produced today are manufactured at the least cost per unit with poor quality control (last year or two of winchester production) utilizing cheap manufacturing techniques including labour. There are exceptions to this but not many.
Manbearpig, not only investment casting but poor triggers ,semi controlled round feed if you want to call it that in the early models and a reputation for less than stellar accuracy over the years throughout the entire line makes them junk to me, I had a couple and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it so get over it.
Cast parts may be perfectly fine for many applications but they are almost always specified only because they cost less to manufacture, not because they are better. Gibbs, Ive seen lots of turbine engines come apart in 24 years, newer blades are investment cast and still fail as do the forged hubs that retain them, usually due to overspeeds/overtemps/cycles that were beyond the design parameters of the parts. When cast parts fail it is usually quite spectacular and you end up with lots of small pieces , forgings in my experience even in failure tend to hold together far better usually bending instead of grenading.
Most american firearms produced today are manufactured at the least cost per unit with poor quality control (last year or two of winchester production) utilizing cheap manufacturing techniques including labour. There are exceptions to this but not many.
Manbearpig, not only investment casting but poor triggers ,semi controlled round feed if you want to call it that in the early models and a reputation for less than stellar accuracy over the years throughout the entire line makes them junk to me, I had a couple and my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it so get over it.
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manbearpig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Somewhere in the Third World
the Rugers offer just as safe and strong an action but by cutting down on machining operations it allows them to cut manufacturing cost without making any sacrifices in the final product -- and some of that savings is then passed on to the consumer.
i do believe that the average M77 Mark II offers more value than the average Remington, for example, in the $650-750 price point. that said the Remingtons still have their place as they are far more customizable due to such a massive aftermarket. i have Remingtons and Rugers and Savages and dont really regret any of the purchases - they all have their ups and downs. i just responded to the 'investment cast junk' comment.
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cant comment on the 'Semi Controlled Round Feed' as i dont own any recent Winchesters. Ruger used to have inconsistent accuracy but this is now a non-issue since they started manufacturing their own barrels (every Ruger i own with the exception of my Mini-14 is sub-MOA with cheap off the shelf ammo)... so is the 'bad trigger' reputation since they upgraded all current M77 Mark II and Hawkeye models to the LC6. its no match trigger but it is at least as good as most factory triggers and much better than some.
i do believe that the average M77 Mark II offers more value than the average Remington, for example, in the $650-750 price point. that said the Remingtons still have their place as they are far more customizable due to such a massive aftermarket. i have Remingtons and Rugers and Savages and dont really regret any of the purchases - they all have their ups and downs. i just responded to the 'investment cast junk' comment.
*edit to respond to your edit*
cant comment on the 'Semi Controlled Round Feed' as i dont own any recent Winchesters. Ruger used to have inconsistent accuracy but this is now a non-issue since they started manufacturing their own barrels (every Ruger i own with the exception of my Mini-14 is sub-MOA with cheap off the shelf ammo)... so is the 'bad trigger' reputation since they upgraded all current M77 Mark II and Hawkeye models to the LC6. its no match trigger but it is at least as good as most factory triggers and much better than some.
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Ive got five of them and couldnt agree more
- Location
- Chilliwack, BC
I don't know, but I own a Tikka T3 in .30-06, and as far as accuracy, perfect, right from out of the box. The action is, IMHO the smoothest out there. My stock is synthetic, not real crazy about that, but it's super light, and .30-06 is not too much recoil for a light gun. After the grief I've gone through with my recent Ruger M77 MkII in .338 wm, I wish I had just bought another Tikka.
Yes I know! I just find it interesting that something that many people risk there lives to on a daily basis is being argued over so veimently!!
GameStalker30-06
CGN Regular
- Location
- Newfoundland
since i just got a new car a few months ago, I went a lil cheaper with the rifle and a rem 700 SPS SS DM in realtree camo. regular sps dm but with stainless barrel and camo stock, and put a nice silver scope and rings on her. got the rifle for $799. looks beautiful with the scope and rings matching the barrel. well, not a CDL
, but it's still a remmy 700.
, but it's still a remmy 700.Rem 700 CDL or Savage 114
Hey, guys, you're going off track. The man wants to choose between a Rem 700 CDL and a Savage 114. And he wants to know why so here it is:
The Rem 700s have a long lasting and very good reputation and they come in left hand too. I own a VS with 5 barrels, a new VSF 308, a Match Grade Arms 300 Wea. mag (5½ lb) built on a Rem ADL 700 LA (LH) and a Browning A-bolt. I just bought a 700 CDL in 30-06 LH and can't wait to put my hands on it. The Savage is cheaper and even if it has this accu-trigger gizmo I don't believe it's better than a Remington 700 CDL or other. Stay with something simple and conventional. Your choice of caliber is also sound. Continue with the 700. And now with the famous question: which one do YOU prefer? I know it's the 700.
Here's another piece of advise: look for a used one on CGN. Why pay top dollar for a brand new one when you can get one with just a few rounds thru it for less money and no 13% rip-off taxes !!! I did just that ...
Hey, guys, you're going off track. The man wants to choose between a Rem 700 CDL and a Savage 114. And he wants to know why so here it is:
The Rem 700s have a long lasting and very good reputation and they come in left hand too. I own a VS with 5 barrels, a new VSF 308, a Match Grade Arms 300 Wea. mag (5½ lb) built on a Rem ADL 700 LA (LH) and a Browning A-bolt. I just bought a 700 CDL in 30-06 LH and can't wait to put my hands on it. The Savage is cheaper and even if it has this accu-trigger gizmo I don't believe it's better than a Remington 700 CDL or other. Stay with something simple and conventional. Your choice of caliber is also sound. Continue with the 700. And now with the famous question: which one do YOU prefer? I know it's the 700.
Here's another piece of advise: look for a used one on CGN. Why pay top dollar for a brand new one when you can get one with just a few rounds thru it for less money and no 13% rip-off taxes !!! I did just that ...
