Dillon-Hornady
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stormbringer
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I have never used the Bsquare but love my LNL
One advantage of the LNL is it can use regular dies as well as do rifle and handgun in the future.
One advantage of the LNL is it can use regular dies as well as do rifle and handgun in the future.
A friend of mine had a Dillon SquareB and he wasn't too impressed with it, as Stormbringer said it takes it's own odd sized dies. The LNL is supposed to be pretty good, I have never used one but my Dillon 550 has been working great for me for the last 17 years and can also load rifle ammo and it takes standard size dies. It is the in thing to jump on Dillon user's posts but with 17 years of hassle free use how can I complain.
There is nothing wrong with Dillon dies. I started reloading with a Square Deal B and it was great little progressive press for the money. You can pump 450 round of 45 ACP in an hour easily.
If you want to produre larger amount of ammo or want to reload multiple calibers, get the 650XL.
If you want to produre larger amount of ammo or want to reload multiple calibers, get the 650XL.
stormbringer
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Either a Dillon 550 or 650 would be a better choice than the Square Deal, depending on what volume of ammo you need to load.
If you are only using the press to crank out large amounts of .45 ACP only and plan on running a case feeder, go with the 650. If you don't plan on running a case feeder, the 550 is a better choice because there is little to no advantage to auto-indexing unless you have a case feeder and both the 550 press and calibre changes for it are less expensive.
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillonfaqs.html
I haven't used a Lock-N-Load, but they seem to have a good reputation.
If you are only using the press to crank out large amounts of .45 ACP only and plan on running a case feeder, go with the 650. If you don't plan on running a case feeder, the 550 is a better choice because there is little to no advantage to auto-indexing unless you have a case feeder and both the 550 press and calibre changes for it are less expensive.
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillonfaqs.html
I haven't used a Lock-N-Load, but they seem to have a good reputation.
LNL EZ-ject (newer design) is not only a much better machine than 550 but will cost you way less after all the shell plates/dies/whatnot you buy to load for 1-2 calibers. Comes with auto indexing too.
And what a breeze to switch from caliber to caliber
And what a breeze to switch from caliber to caliber
My first press was a Square deal B, and I used it for about 5 years before upgrading to a 650xl. There is nothing wrong with the Square deal B, it will load all common handgun calibers at a fairy quick pace. Although it uses proprietary dies this is not a problem other than they are a bit more expensive than standard dies.
The only reason that I upgraded to a 650xl was because I wanted to load rifle as well as pistol and wanted the extra convenience of a case feeder.
The only reason that I upgraded to a 650xl was because I wanted to load rifle as well as pistol and wanted the extra convenience of a case feeder.
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I use a SDB, while it has its limitations, I find it to be very easy to use...... IF you know your machine.....
I only use the progressive for pistol calibres.... (for obvious reasons) but I reload for my rifles with the single stage.... I like the idea of knowing exactly how much powder is in there..... not + or- .2 of a grain, and all of my rifle reloads (In my my mind) NEED to be perfect, as I am using them exclusivly for hunting.... I don't do much "plinking" with my high powers.
Now if I had an AR or something that ate alot of .223.... I'd probably go to a LNL or maybe a Lee 1000, I havn't heard much bad about the lee's. I know one guy who has 8 of them on his bench.... one for each caliber.
Cheers!
I only use the progressive for pistol calibres.... (for obvious reasons) but I reload for my rifles with the single stage.... I like the idea of knowing exactly how much powder is in there..... not + or- .2 of a grain, and all of my rifle reloads (In my my mind) NEED to be perfect, as I am using them exclusivly for hunting.... I don't do much "plinking" with my high powers.
Now if I had an AR or something that ate alot of .223.... I'd probably go to a LNL or maybe a Lee 1000, I havn't heard much bad about the lee's. I know one guy who has 8 of them on his bench.... one for each caliber.
Cheers!
I'm assuming you mean the square deal B?
It has it's limitations and it uses proprietary dies.. However the dies and conversion kit are just a little more then a set of dies... It's only good for pistol calibers and it's not as adjustable as a full size set of die but it will make good quality reliable ammo...
It has it's limitations and it uses proprietary dies.. However the dies and conversion kit are just a little more then a set of dies... It's only good for pistol calibers and it's not as adjustable as a full size set of die but it will make good quality reliable ammo...
"Now if I had an AR or something that ate alot of .223.... I'd probably go to a LNL or maybe a Lee 1000, I havn't heard much bad about the lee's. I know one guy who has 8 of them on his bench.... one for each caliber."
I wouldn't load .223 with a Lee 1000 as it isn't built very strong and a tapered case requires more force to size etc. I have loaded 44 mag and 45 lc with a lee and it didn't perform that well. I'm not saying you can't do it but I'm sure a dillion or LNL would work way better.
I have to cast a vote for LNL as its cheaper to load several calibers and you can use equipment you already have such as dies etc.
I'm sur Dillion is a great press as well, probably the best. I'm just cheap by nature.
I wouldn't load .223 with a Lee 1000 as it isn't built very strong and a tapered case requires more force to size etc. I have loaded 44 mag and 45 lc with a lee and it didn't perform that well. I'm not saying you can't do it but I'm sure a dillion or LNL would work way better.
I have to cast a vote for LNL as its cheaper to load several calibers and you can use equipment you already have such as dies etc.
I'm sur Dillion is a great press as well, probably the best. I'm just cheap by nature.
canuck4570
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LNL much more versatile
powder system better than dillon
I have both and now using the LNL only
LNL much more versatile
powder system better than dillon
I have both and now using the LNL only
I should clarify a bit. My Lee 1000 is wore out and sloppy. Which means a whole lot of rounds have been put through it.
The LNL is built way stronger than the Lee as you are aware. I am by know means throwing stones at the Lee and if thats all one can afford it will work after you figure out all the little quirks that make you crazy
1050 Dillon if you can afford it.
Automatically swages primer pockets of military .45 ACP brass with crimped-in prrimers.
I should clarify a bit. My Lee 1000 is wore out and sloppy. Which means a whole lot of rounds have been put through it.
The LNL is built way stronger than the Lee as you are aware. I am by know means throwing stones at the Lee and if thats all one can afford it will work after you figure out all the little quirks that make you crazy
I dont know how you define alot by the lee I used for 223 had more then 50,000 rounds loaded with it easy. Its an ok machine for the budget but the LNL is superior in many ways.
I've recently become a happy L&L owner. I have no experience with Dillon's comparable 650 but if its better, it can't be by much. The L&L with case feeder cost me $948.00 Cdn dollars including delivery, taxes, and exchange. I then sent in $US 21.00 for 1000 bullets as part of their promotional deal. The L&L was easy to set up and works perfectly. I'm happy.
