Disappointed by hunters actions

If you KNOW you always have that issue, what's difficult about taking a little shovel & burying it?

Just curious...

Or did that just make sense? (AKA not your land, private place, wouldn't manners dictate that at least the "shovel" part of "shoot, shovel & shut up" prevails? ;)

Afterall, just think, even if it's a farm you're on, it's still someone's back yard... I kinda doubt you'd be too pleased if someone left a steamer in the middle of yours.

L (who keeps a shovel in the truck, even if it's a little folding one, with the TP on the handle)


Whats wrong with hang'n trouser ard dropping a big steamy pile of s**t? Better out then in. The rain will wash away the TP, it's designed to break down quickly. My biggest problem hunting is that I always gotta go as soon as I get in the blind or all set up
 
opps...forgot about that part...yes sometimes (when i have it) i'll bury it. but i dont always remember to pack one...i just have one of those fold-up trench dig'n jobbies. usually where i go it's not exactly in a high-traffic area, like sitting over a fallen tree or leaning against a trunk somewhere
 
Only problem is I live an hour away from the property right now so it makes it difficult to regularly check on the land. :(

Have a good spot to hide a trailcam? My father inlaw had to do that when he was still living in BC but had bought his land in AB. He had a good spot to hide his and got a couple :mad: different license plate #'s.


Didn't read throught the whole thread so sorry if someone mentioned this already :redface:
 
I am surprised at how many landowners on this site have there land posted.....land access is a huge problem for new hunters....just another way the Canadian gun community will collapse on itself

Say what?

No offence but if I pay the taxes, I pay the insurance, I maintain the property, I will be the one that decides who does and does not hunt on it. If this offends you, YOU can feel free to outlay the cash to buy your own piece of hunting land.

New hunters can always ask for property access to hunt posted land just like they should be asking permission to hunt non-posted private land. Based on that what exactly is the difference, posted or otherwise in terms of where a 'new hunter' would get to hunt? There isn't any, other then eliminating the "Oh, this is your property, I thought is was crown land line of crap".

I run into this same issue with dog-trials people from the city... come out to the country thinking they have free reign, that it is all somehow public land. I'd like to try the same thing in their 20'x20' backyard.

If you have a problem with public land being posted that is one thing, but private land? Get real or buy your own.
 
Afterall, just think, even if it's a farm you're on, it's still someone's back yard... I kinda doubt you'd be too pleased if someone left a steamer in the middle of yours.

Well put.
It's irrelevant if I want to own and pay taxes on 16,000 acres, 160 acres or 1/2 acre...it's my damn yard your ####ting in, have a little consideration for the owner of the land.
 
I'm sorry, but if you don't post or fence your land, how is the general public supposed to know it's private????????????????????????????

I feel for you and I personally, would never drive over obviously cultivated plants, trees, shrubs, whatever. It's usually quit obvios what is being used and what isn't.

But I don't think you have very much ground to stand on if your land is not signed or fenced. I'm not trying to be a ####, but if you want people to stay off your land, let them know it's private. If they continue to abuse it, then you have every right to ##### about it and take action.

Yes he does... he has alot of ground to stand on.
This whole issue has been beaten to death in other threads.
Do a search on the Trespass Act, and in the Hunting Regulations, you'll apparently be surprised.

http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/t-21/20040901/whole.html

In this particular case with the planted trees:

3. (1) Entry on premises may be prohibited by notice to that effect and entry is prohibited without any notice on premises,

(a) that is a garden, field or other land that is under cultivation, including a lawn, orchard, vineyard and premises on which trees have been planted and have not attained an average height of more than two metres and woodlots on land used primarily for agricultural purposes; or


As hunters it is incumbant upon the us to determine if the land is private or public, it is NOT incumbant upon the owner to inform us.
 
As hunters it is incumbant upon the us to determine if the land is private or public, it is NOT incumbant upon the owner to inform us.
There you have it, until all hunters have to own or lease their own land like here you have to project an image that is beyond reproach! It only takes one too many p1ssed of landowners to organised a ban for hunting!
 
Ok please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if I understand this 100%, it's just what I've been told:

Obviously people are allowed to hunt crown land, BUT what I don't understand is the topic of unposted land. Technically in Canada nobody OWNS their land, they basically have the right to call it there own, pay the property tax on it and place a domestic structures on it. So doesn't that make everything crown land...and unless it's posted with red or yellow disks (that's how they do it in nb) then you can hunt on it? AND with the yellow/red disks, doesn't the land owner have to pay to reregister them every year otherwise they are not legally enforceable. Also, I've been told that if land has ever been flooded, that the crown own's 10 metres back from the highest water level ever recorded?

I have never run into problems hunting on someone's land in NB and the above is not my views on public land. I never hunt posted land and although I'veposted that I've taken a steamer on public land, it's always in the forest on an untravelled and very unobvious spot...the above is ONLY what I have come to believe from different things I've heard/read? Can someone point me in the right direction if I'm wrong?
 
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In ontario the fact that it is a farm is enough plus a fence even if in disrepair is enough. See high lighted
Trespass to Property Act

R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER T.21

Consolidation Period: From May 31, 2001 to the e-Laws currency date.

Last amendment: 2000, c.30, s.11.

Definitions

1. (1) In this Act,

“occupier” includes,

(a) a person who is in physical possession of premises, or

(b) a person who has responsibility for and control over the condition of premises or the activities there carried on, or control over persons allowed to enter the premises,

even if there is more than one occupier of the same premises; (“occupant”)

“premises” means lands and structures, or either of them, and includes,

(a) water,

(b) ships and vessels,

(c) trailers and portable structures designed or used for residence, business or shelter,

(d) trains, railway cars, vehicles and aircraft, except while in operation. (“lieux”) R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 1 (1).

School boards

(2) A school board has all the rights and duties of an occupier in respect of its school sites as defined in the Education Act. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 1 (2).

Trespass an offence

2. (1) Every person who is not acting under a right or authority conferred by law and who,

(a) without the express permission of the occupier, the proof of which rests on the defendant,

(i) enters on premises when entry is prohibited under this Act, or

(ii) engages in an activity on premises when the activity is prohibited under this Act; or

(b) does not leave the premises immediately after he or she is directed to do so by the occupier of the premises or a person authorized by the occupier,

is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $2,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 2 (1).

Colour of right as a defence

(2) It is a defence to a charge under subsection (1) in respect of premises that is land that the person charged reasonably believed that he or she had title to or an interest in the land that entitled him or her to do the act complained of. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 2 (2).

Prohibition of entry

3. (1) Entry on premises may be prohibited by notice to that effect and entry is prohibited without any notice on premises,

(a) that is a garden, field or other land that is under cultivation, including a lawn, orchard, vineyard and premises on which trees have been planted and have not attained an average height of more than two metres and woodlots on land used primarily for agricultural purposes; or


(b) that is enclosed in a manner that indicates the occupier’s intention to keep persons off the premises or to keep animals on the premises. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 3 (1).
Implied permission to use approach to door

(2)There is a presumption that access for lawful purposes to the door of a building on premises by a means apparently provided and used for the purpose of access is not prohibited. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 3 (2).

Limited permission

4. (1) Where notice is given that one or more particular activities are permitted, all other activities and entry for the purpose are prohibited and any additional notice that entry is prohibited or a particular activity is prohibited on the same premises shall be construed to be for greater certainty only. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 4 (1).

Limited prohibition

(2) Where entry on premises is not prohibited under section 3 or by notice that one or more particular activities are permitted under subsection (1), and notice is given that a particular activity is prohibited, that activity and entry for the purpose is prohibited and all other activities and entry for the purpose are not prohibited. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 4 (2).

Method of giving notice

5. (1) A notice under this Act may be given,

(a) orally or in writing;

(b) by means of signs posted so that a sign is clearly visible in daylight under normal conditions from the approach to each ordinary point of access to the premises to which it applies; or

(c) by means of the marking system set out in section 7. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 5 (1).

Substantial compliance

(2) Substantial compliance with clause (1) (b) or (c) is sufficient notice. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 5 (2).

Form of sign

6. (1) A sign naming an activity or showing a graphic representation of an activity is sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that the activity is permitted. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 6 (1).

Idem

(2) A sign naming an activity with an oblique line drawn through the name or showing a graphic representation of an activity with an oblique line drawn through the representation is sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that the activity is prohibited. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 6 (2).

Red markings

7. (1) Red markings made and posted in accordance with subsections (3) and (4) are sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that entry on the premises is prohibited. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 7 (1).

Yellow markings

(2) Yellow markings made and posted in accordance with subsections (3) and (4) are sufficient for the purpose of giving notice that entry is prohibited except for the purpose of certain activities and shall be deemed to be notice of the activities permitted. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 7 (2).

Size

(3) A marking under this section shall be of such a size that a circle ten centimetres in diameter can be contained wholly within it. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 7 (3).

Posting

(4) Markings under this section shall be so placed that a marking is clearly visible in daylight under normal conditions from the approach to each ordinary point of access to the premises to which it applies. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 7 (4).

Notice applicable to part of premises

8. A notice or permission under this Act may be given in respect of any part of the premises of an occupier. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 8.

Arrest without warrant on premises

9. (1) A police officer, or the occupier of premises, or a person authorized by the occupier may arrest without warrant any person he or she believes on reasonable and probable grounds to be on the premises in contravention of section 2. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 9 (1).

Delivery to police officer

(2) Where the person who makes an arrest under subsection (1) is not a police officer, he or she shall promptly call for the assistance of a police officer and give the person arrested into the custody of the police officer. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 9 (2).

Deemed arrest

(3) A police officer to whom the custody of a person is given under subsection (2) shall be deemed to have arrested the person for the purposes of the provisions of the Provincial Offences Act applying to his or her release or continued detention and bail. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 9 (3).

Arrest without warrant off premises

10. Where a police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person has been in contravention of section 2 and has made fresh departure from the premises, and the person refuses to give his or her name and address, or there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the name or address given is false, the police officer may arrest the person without warrant. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 10.

Motor vehicles and motorized snow vehicles

11. Where an offence under this Act is committed by means of a motor vehicle, as defined in the Highway Traffic Act, or by means of a motorized snow vehicle, as defined in the Motorized Snow Vehicles Act, the driver of the motor vehicle or motorized snow vehicle is liable to the fine provided under this Act and, where the driver is not the owner, the owner of the motor vehicle or motorized snow vehicle is liable to the fine provided under this Act unless the driver is convicted of the offence or, at the time the offence was committed, the motor vehicle or motorized snow vehicle was in the possession of a person other than the owner without the owner’s consent. 2000, c. 30, s. 11.

Damage award

12. (1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 2, and a person has suffered damage caused by the person convicted during the commission of the offence, the court shall, on the request of the prosecutor and with the consent of the person who suffered the damage, determine the damages and shall make a judgment for damages against the person convicted in favour of the person who suffered the damage, but no judgment shall be for an amount in excess of $1,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (1).

Costs of prosecution

(2) Where a prosecution under section 2 is conducted by a private prosecutor, and the defendant is convicted, unless the court is of the opinion that the prosecution was not necessary for the protection of the occupier or the occupier’s interests, the court shall determine the actual costs reasonably incurred in conducting the prosecution and, despite section 60 of the Provincial Offences Act, shall order those costs to be paid by the defendant to the prosecutor. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (2).

Damages and costs in addition to fine

(3) A judgment for damages under subsection (1), or an award of costs under subsection (2), shall be in addition to any fine that is imposed under this Act. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (3).

Civil action

(4) A judgment for damages under subsection (1) extinguishes the right of the person in whose favour the judgment is made to bring a civil action for damages against the person convicted arising out of the same facts. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (4).

Idem

(5) The failure to request or refusal to grant a judgment for damages under subsection (1) does not affect a right to bring a civil action for damages arising out of the same facts. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (5).

Enforcement

(6) The judgment for damages under subsection (1), and the award for costs under subsection (2), may be filed in the Small Claims Court and shall be deemed to be a judgment or order of that court for the purposes of enforcement. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (6).
 
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Well my neighbor was looking for work (he's a tree feller) and has offered to do some pruning on my property during hunting season.... He's gonna take out the pine and poplar and a few maples that have gotten to close to each other.... He'll leave me the maple for firewood & pulp the rest. I've told him if he sees anybody, stands etc that he's free to tell them to leave...

Added bonus is that my trails will be reworked with him going thru... That way my little tractor won't get stuck when I go back to clean up whatever he leaves behind...
 
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