disappointed in Sako

hawk-i said:
I guess it's the 06 case lengths that have the issue not the short action
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Had a Bavarian Carbine in 30-06 with low rings... no issues whatsoever, but it was mounted with a Zeiss scope... no funky target turrets to get into the way. :) I would buy another Sako 85 in a heartbeat if I had a need, though I am very happy with my mildly built Tikka T3 also in 30-06.

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Hey Kurgan, did you even fired that sako carbine since the last time you were bringing that up to defend Sako? Or is it still "unfired investment" as it was back then? ))
 
The culprit is the extractor claw. Some of them have too big a gap with the cartridge rim. This causes the case to eject prematurely after it gets struck by the ejector. There are gunsmiths out there that can manufacture a new extractor claw with a tighter gap. The lax tolerates in the extractor claw are why some rifles have the problem and some don't.
 
RangerPark said:
The culprit is the extractor claw. Some of them have too big a gap with the cartridge rim. This causes the case to eject prematurely after it gets struck by the ejector. There are gunsmiths out there that can manufacture a new extractor claw with a tighter gap. The lax tolerates in the extractor claw are why some rifles have the problem and some don't.
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Finally, some insight into the problem. ..will a new from Sako extractor claw fix the problem or would this be a hit and miss scenario?
 
hawk-i said:
Finally, some insight into the problem. ..will a new from Sako extractor claw fix the problem or would this be a hit and miss scenario?
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If you had a whole bunch of extractors in front of you, you could choose the one that would result in the smallest gap. But no one has that luxury. The gap is the result of the relationship between the bolt face and the bottom of the extractor. The following dimensions affect that gap:

1- Location of bolt face in relation to the claw. If a bolt was machined with the face recessed a bit too much it would widen the gap.
2- Dimensions of the extractor claw itself. If the claw is too there it grips the cartridge thin it would open the gap.
3- Location of the holes that holds the extractor pivot pin, both in the bolt and claw itself. Manufacturing tolerances in the location of those holes would also affect the gap.

Ideally, you would obtain an extractor without a hole drilled in it. Your gunsmith would then determine the proper location of the hole and drill it in the extractor. You would want the smallest gap possible that will still allow to extract a wide variety of cartridges.

Getting an undrilled extractor from Sako would be next to impossible, better have the smith manufacture a brand new one with the proper dimensions.

If you have the proper measuring equipment, measure the extractor gap vs the case you're trying to eject. Feeler gauges would be the easiest way I think. You'll know where you stand.
 
hawk-i said:
Was going to drop the coin to buy a Sako 85 finlight 7 rem mag today.
Mounted a Leupold 3-9x40 scope in Leupold med. Sako rings. This rifle with scope had a 100% failure to eject on spent cases. Every time the case would hit the windage knob on the scope a fall back into the chamber...wtf 2300.00 and it won't eject a fired case?
Very disappointing.
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Bought one in 30.06 ...same problem. After 20 rounds I sold it.

The Sako is a ejection issues make it a POS. I love my Tikkas and went right back to them - Never an issue with the Tikka.
 
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RangerPark said:
If you had a whole bunch of extractors in front of you, you could choose the one that would result in the smallest gap. But no one has that luxury. The gap is the result of the relationship between the bolt face and the bottom of the extractor. The following dimensions affect that gap:

1- Location of bolt face in relation to the claw. If a bolt was machined with the face recessed a bit too much it would widen the gap.
2- Dimensions of the extractor claw itself. If the claw is too there it grips the cartridge thin it would open the gap.
3- Location of the holes that holds the extractor pivot pin, both in the bolt and claw itself. Manufacturing tolerances in the location of those holes would also affect the gap.

Ideally, you would obtain an extractor without a hole drilled in it. Your gunsmith would then determine the proper location of the hole and drill it in the extractor. You would want the smallest gap possible that will still allow to extract a wide variety of cartridges.

Getting an undrilled extractor from Sako would be next to impossible, better have the smith manufacture a brand new one with the proper dimensions.

If you have the proper measuring equipment, measure the extractor gap vs the case you're trying to eject. Feeler gauges would be the easiest way I think. You'll know where you stand.
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It's pretty discouraging that Sako won't fix the problem when they know the cause....would different brands of ammo make a difference?
 
hawk-i said:
It's pretty discouraging that Sako won't fix the problem when they know the cause....would different brands of ammo make a difference?
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I don't know how much rim thickness varies from one brand to another, it at all. Try putting some Scotch tape on a spent cartridge, thus "thickening" the rim, and see if ejection is any different. Even one layer of tape could be too much though, might not provide much insight.
 
hawk-i said:
Yeah that cds knob will now be windage....to funny!
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Hey you didn't say what scope it was. If it was a normal scope it would of worked. Zeiss scopes are even labelled as so for people who want to flip the scope for those who experience ejection problems. These are of course, are normal scopes and not any of this fancy shmancy ballistic turret and side parallax stuff.
 
SuperCub said:
........ and even worse customer service.

No wonder there are so many 85s on the EE.
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Yes, and I've seen them (sako 85 finnlites) in a few stores recently on sale for around the 1900.00 mark.

Ended up purchasing a Kimber Montana in 280AI. ..very happy with it so far.
 
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