Dispute over SMD-12 classification

People talk and that's life... if you trust someone and have a relationship of some kind you often get information - Happens all the time; I know I see it at work on a daily basis.

I don't think the person at the CFC would be giving out information on who owns guns to random people. Instead it sounds like "Blah Blah from CGN is constantly calling us to ban a certain gun, do you know him?" - Sounds like normal chit-chat conversation to me :)

I say... Ban The Foo!!
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P.S. I am sure all Registered Owners names and information has been accessed by all organized crime immediately after the Registry was implemented. We'd be stupid to think its security has not been compromised.
 
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Wrong Way said:
Holy cow. Lets see if we can take this thread just a little more off topic.....

I got a feeling someone may be a little worried about the name being made public.

hmmm.........
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Why? Because he takes issue with some woman at the CFC giving out information about other firearms owners?

Well I happen to agree. Wanna burn me at the stake?

This thread is a ####ing waste of time.
 
Exactly...peopel talk.

If you have a relationship wiht a police officer etc, they may give you information about other people. Is it "correct" strictly speaking? Maybe not- But sometimes it is a "heads up" because they agree with your cause or maybe giving you some information helps you out.


It in no way suggests that the same peopel are going to be selling secrets to organized crime.:rolleyes:
 
Wrong Way said:
Holy cow. Lets see if we can take this thread just a little more off topic.....

I got a feeling someone may be a little worried about the name being made public.

hmmm.........
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I got nothing to be worried about there... you want my name and address just send me a PM and you can send all the hate mail you want ;)
 
I know both ponts and Joe...

I will stand beside/with them any time...

Both are upstanding people in my books...

I know that any info that comes from them has been totally researched...
 
atr said:
If the spotlight barrel legnthwasn't shone on this gun it would probably have flown till the end of time because the RCMP had already ruled it as non-restricted . What a bunch of f*cking idiots .
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Calling the CFC for information/clarification is different then being a anal Fudd, and calling the CFC and demanding that this firearms become prohibited.

In short the folks that answer the phones don't give two sh!ts, and unless they are cops they cannot act like them, they are data entry clerks.

If anything good can come out of this it will be the need for clarification on the registration cards itself. As the alternative is a huge spotlight in the media when a cop shows off what he found in a roadside check...even thought the owner of said shotgun is in the right, the Media will never show the outcome.

This of course is not Dlasks fault, but a fault with the registry, and concerns anyone who owns a non- restricted shotgun with a shorter barrel.

Finally I'd like to see the cops on this board contribute something and tell us what they see on their patrol car computers when they enter the serial number for the Dlask shotguns, or an HP9 for that matter. And does it specify
barrel length along with the info about being non-restricted? :confused:

Or do I have to bring my lawyer with my while I Grouse hunt with my HP9 this year? :rolleyes:
 
Holy cow this thread is out of control!

I just logged in to post what I found out today.

I wrote to my MP already. I said that before.

I called the CFC today and got some clarification from the tech department regarding why the classification was changed.

The CFC was given no reason. It was the RCMP who changed it and all of a sudden they are all on vacation and cant be reahed for some time. At the end of this period, they have planned a meeting to discuss all the complaints they have been receiving. While I was doing all that I simultaneosly emailed the same info plus my own questions to the NFA.

So... Lets just make sure that the complaints the RCMP are meeting about in two weeks are OUR complaints ok guys? Dont sit idle on this one please!!!

Call your MPs, write them, track them down and tell them, I dont care, but we have to get our message out.
 
Finally I'd like to see the cops on this board contribute something and tell us what they see on their patrol car computers when they enter the serial number for the Dlask shotguns, or an HP9 for that matter. And does it specify barrel length along with the info about being non-restricted?
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O.K. , 10:00 P.M. , July 6th and my gun was just ran through the system . The system is CPIC which is the police/cfc database . It can be ran as a restricted weapon , a non-restricted weapon , under my name , by my PAL , using the FRT , the registration or the serial number or any combination . Mine was ran , by my name , by the make and model , by my registration number , by my serial number and by my PAL . It comes back , registered to me via dealer transfer , non-restricted , barrel less than 470 mm . That is the exact information that any law enforcement officer will find by running these shotguns , by make , model , PAL , name of registered owner or serial number , at this time . They'll get the same information by just running the FRT .
 
Now, this is why I waited. Im glad to see its being sorted out properly now, and impressed to see how Dlask is handling it for the current owners so far.
 
atr said:
O.K. , 10:00 P.M. , July 6th and my gun was just ran through the system . The system is CPIC which is the police/cfc database . It can be ran as a restricted weapon , a non-restricted weapon , under my name , by my PAL , using the FRT , the registration or the serial number or any combination . Mine was ran , by my name , by the make and model , by my registration number , by my serial number and by my PAL . It comes back , registered to me via dealer transfer , non-restricted , barrel less than 470 mm . That is the exact information that any law enforcement officer will find by running these shotguns , by make , model , PAL , name of registered owner or serial number , at this time . They'll get the same information by just running the FRT .
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Brilliant! That's what I wanted to know, thanx ATR. :dancingbanana:
BTW I assume you meant June. :D
 
This doesn't say what the overall length or stock type is... a police officer could still think that you had shortened it to an illegal point with the pistol grip. Having the overall length in that information might save some problems down the road.

atr said:
O.K. , 10:00 P.M. , July 6th and my gun was just ran through the system . The system is CPIC which is the police/cfc database . It can be ran as a restricted weapon , a non-restricted weapon , under my name , by my PAL , using the FRT , the registration or the serial number or any combination . Mine was ran , by my name , by the make and model , by my registration number , by my serial number and by my PAL . It comes back , registered to me via dealer transfer , non-restricted , barrel less than 470 mm . That is the exact information that any law enforcement officer will find by running these shotguns , by make , model , PAL , name of registered owner or serial number , at this time . They'll get the same information by just running the FRT .
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atr, thanks for bringing some useful info to this thread. In the previous 13 pages, I did not see a lot of anything but squabbling. I put in an order for this firearm and never received a reply. So after a couple weeks I thought i was being ignored and went and bought another handgun with my money. To Joe, I now apologize to you sir, and you can consider my order as still valid. I will take my chances as I want to support those that will step up for us owners with innovative products. I personally saw this as my answer to a wilderness carry problem. To those that are not backing what he is doing, shame on you. I told-you-so's are not going to help here. If you do not agree with this firearm, don't buy one. Simple. This community needs to be seen as unified, not as a bunch of bickering idiots. I made a mistake and I am going to man up and rectify it, will you?
 
Just found out that the information that i posted above is accurate but incomplete as it came through a couple of people before it got to me . The CFC database reads , barrel less that 470 mm / 457 mm . The person who passed it on to me assumed that since the barrel is less than 470 mm , it must be 457 mm . Not so . I just measured the gun from the back of the pistolgrip to the muzzle and the over all length is exactly 457 mm , but 457 mm isn't specified as the OAL on the database . Anything else you need before i go to bed HeadDamage .:D
 
I have been on board from the second my son and I walked in to Dlask and saw this awesome firearms for the first time.

I new then that in a worst case scenario I would possibly have to put a shoulder stock onto it...

Which was no big deal to me considering that it is one of the most awesome wilderness defense firearms to ever be legally available in Canada...

I have been communicating with a lot of my friends that are totally into fishing on the interior rivers in BC and they all want one for defense purposes...

I have been doing my thing in Alberta for the last 5 weeks today and I will be here for at least 2 to 3 weeks more but my ATC does not cover me for this province yet so I am traveling around carrying my 20" barreled LSI Puma M92 rifle in 454 Casull...

I would definately prefer this compact non-restricted shotgun....:dancingbanana:

Once again thanks Joe and ponts for firstly putting this together and secondly fighting for the firearms community in Canada...
 
I think it rests on 3 words , 'otherwise' , 'altered' and 'manufactured' and also on being designed to be operated with two hands .
 
rdelliott said:
Got any proof of this? I'd be shocked if "many" CGNers actually did that. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if any CGNers tried to get them prohibited...

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I believe it. Many people WANT to be lead by the shorts. Cowards should be booted from the site asap. They can suck my @SS.
 
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