Dispute over SMD-12 classification

[Calum]

Did you also know that the CFC and RCMP received many calls originating from members here on this very site asking for the 8.5" 870 to be PROHIBITED!!

If this is true I vote (for what it's worth) for an access to information be done, and names read out of who made these calls followed by lifetime bans from this site (and another). As these sort of antis from within are a cancer that need to be removed.

 

[sixty9santa]

^ Agreed!

I'll be calling the CFC as well.

 

[Foxer]

Oh for GODS sake, will you people stop bickering like a bunch of old ladies!?!?!

First off - the so called 'naysayers' questioned whether or not the gun was legal (non-PROHIBED), not whether or not it would one day be restricted. So those saying 'i told you so' - quit acting like a bunch of asses, i think everyone knew this could be a fight.

Second off - everyone who bought one of these STILL has an unrestricted, seeing as dlask is changing the stamped ones out for non stamped.

Third off - any gun you own today may be restricted or prohibed tomorrow. There are no 'safe guns'. Learn to fight. Forget how to #####.

Fourth off - I'm very dissapointed in our community and how it's handled this. Those who were happy about it were met with sneers from those who practically hoped for problems. Those who were not sure about the legality were treated as being 'unreasonable', when obviously there was valid reasons to be sure (nobody wanted to buy a prohib, and anyone who DID buy the gun was going to have to explain the law to a cop if they were found with it, guaranteed).

It would have been nice to see the community pull together a bit more. There are people on both 'sides' who should be a little ashamed. We're supposed to be here for each other - not ripping at each other at every chance.

 

[HeVGunner]

Wow, this is infuriating! Two middle digits extended to the RCMP folks who decided it's now their place to interpret the law.
Despite how many here feel about the NFA, I will be joining to support their actions in this matter.

 

[cariboo_kid]

+1 to Gatehouse's comments.

Dlask - Hat's off to you for how you are handling this. You aren't just protecting your product with this fight, you are helping gunowners across Canada. You are treating your existing customers very well, nobody could expect more from you on this.

To the gunowners on this site that are devoting so much energy to slamming the classification of this firearm, why?? You've all stated your opinion, fine, now move on and find something else to harp on.

You should be able to see that NO gunowner benefits from the reclassification, so let's focus our energy on supporting the fight against it. The next gun they plan to reclassify may be one you own. If they have a big enough battle over this it may cause them to rethink or at least delay the next gun from being rendered useless by an asinine political move.

 

[secondgen]

I wonder what the legal strategy will be. Loopholes tend to get closed as far as I can tell; Driedger purposive approach seems to take care of that.
That being said I would like to have owned one as a useful / practical gun.

 

[Foxer]

I wonder what the legal strategy will be.

For which side? Ours is pretty obvious, the others is going to be a little tricky.

Loopholes tend to get closed as far as I can tell

That might well require a re-writing of the law in this case. They can argue that the puposive here was to restrict short guns, but i'm not sure they'll be able to prove that. And due to the fact that they have a history of allowing stock changes without them being modifications, there's going to be an issue. there's only so far you can stretch "Well, when we wrote it we REALLY meant...". The judge is still bound by the law, and if it doesn't forbid this, he'll say 'well then make the law more clear."

 

[Gatehouse]

post number 1 makes no mention of the information that ponts is pawning of as truth..... thats what I mean.

Ponts stated right off the bat he is not affiliated with Dlask

 

[BabySeal]

Foxer, a couple posts up you say that it would have been nice if could have banded together more on this.

I agree wholeheartedly.

What do you propose?

I am ready to act, But I lack a direction on this one. I wrote my MP, I plan to call the CFC tommorrow.

Is there any more we can do?

I mean, besides put the word out and mobilize the letter writers?

 

[Foxer]

What do you propose?

At this stage, i'm not sure. The best bet right now might be to call the nfa and ask. Certanly letters to the right places will help, especially if we can whip up some volume, but what concerns me is the suggestion that some of the opposition came from this site. I'm reluctant to get into any real 'planning' if some of our own are so opposed that they would actually push AGAINST this.

 

[X-man]

Oh for GODS sake, will you people stop bickering like a bunch of old ladies!?!?!

First off - the so called 'naysayers' questioned whether or not the gun was legal (non-PROHIBED), not whether or not it would one day be restricted. So those saying 'i told you so' - quit acting like a bunch of asses, i think everyone knew this could be a fight.

Second off - everyone who bought one of these STILL has an unrestricted, seeing as dlask is changing the stamped ones out for non stamped.

Third off - any gun you own today may be restricted or prohibed tomorrow. There are no 'safe guns'. Learn to fight. Forget how to #####.

Fourth off - I'm very dissapointed in our community and how it's handled this. Those who were happy about it were met with sneers from those who practically hoped for problems. Those who were not sure about the legality were treated as being 'unreasonable', when obviously there was valid reasons to be sure (nobody wanted to buy a prohib, and anyone who DID buy the gun was going to have to explain the law to a cop if they were found with it, guaranteed).

It would have been nice to see the community pull together a bit more. There are people on both 'sides' who should be a little ashamed. We're supposed to be here for each other - not ripping at each other at every chance.

Did you also know that the CFC and RCMP received many calls originating from members here on this very site asking for the 8.5" 870 to be PROHIBITED!!

People with a beef against DLASK, Dealers looking to protect there own investments or Anti's who knows???? Very disturbing.

...And there you have...the reason why the semi-auto AR-15 and FN-FAL are restricted & prohibited respectively, the reason why semi-auto rifles are limited to 5 rounds and semi-auto pistols are limited to 10...because many Canadian gun owners would rather act like spoiled, petulant children and actively work at cross-purposes to one another (effectively doing the Lieberal's job for them!) rather than support one another and fight to protect the rights of all gun owners, not just their small part of the Recreational Firearms Community!

To Joe, just wanted to say thanks for pushing the envelope and I certainly hope that you get a favorable ruling ASAP. Same goes for the NFA for stepping up and going to bat for a Canadian firearms maker.

As for the asshats who actually called the CFC to complain/request that these firearms be reclassified as prohibited...you're absolutely pathetic! I'd gladly kick you ass, but you're not worth it, as I'm sure you're the type to go press charges after coming out the loser on a fair, stand-up, knock-down fight. I can only hope that some how, some way, you'll eventually be exposed for the small-minded, pathetic POS worms that you are!

 

[BabySeal]

Yes, understood.

While I am on hold with the CFC I will search the NFA site for the right person to call.

As for the thought of there being anti's in our midst, without a doubt. There always have been.

 

[Leg]

This is indeed unfortunate, although I gotta say that Dlask appears to be handling it well and they are standing behind their product 100% and supporting their customers.

 

[Armament]

Did you also know that the CFC and RCMP received many calls originating from members here on this very site asking for the 8.5" 870 to be PROHIBITED!!

Utterly disgusting behavior. If this is true and those who did this are reading this, you're pathetic human beings. When the FUDD's attack....

 

[ponts]

2 QUESTIONS

1) why would joe not tell us what is going and he leaves it up to pont's who as far as I can see is not on the nice person list as far as most of his posts on this board ?

2) did joe authorize ponts to distribute such information, so far as rumours and conjecture sure will not look good for an ongoing court case.... all his comments can do is inflame the issue and make a legal defence that much harder.

in the future I suggest holding your cards closer to your chest....

Thanks buddy! I'm sure you know all about who I am.......since I have no clue who you are and have never met you. What I have posted here will not make a hill of beans of difference to a court case. I would suggest leaving your personal attacks out of this

 

[promac]

There is risk in everything we do. I asked myself, would I buy it if it were restricted - yes! If it is reclassified as prohibited and confiscated - still yes. The fun of shooting that thing is worth the risk! Until then, I will attempt to stay under the radar.

Did you also know that the CFC and RCMP received many calls originating from members here on this very site asking for the 8.5" 870 to be PROHIBITED!!

That is truly unfortunate, but I expected that would happen. Hopefully, enough of us can band together and fight any opposition, reclassifications or prohibitions. This is just another opportunity to take a stand!

 

[promac]

For which side? Ours is pretty obvious, the others is going to be a little tricky.



That might well require a re-writing of the law in this case. They can argue that the puposive here was to restrict short guns, but i'm not sure they'll be able to prove that. And due to the fact that they have a history of allowing stock changes without them being modifications, there's going to be an issue. there's only so far you can stretch "Well, when we wrote it we REALLY meant...". The judge is still bound by the law, and if it doesn't forbid this, he'll say 'well then make the law more clear."

The law is not intended to be moral, fair, right or wrong - it is what it is - until it's changed.

 

[rdelliott]

Did you also know that the CFC and RCMP received many calls originating from members here on this very site asking for the 8.5" 870 to be PROHIBITED!!

Got any proof of this? I'd be shocked if "many" CGNers actually did that. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if any CGNers tried to get them prohibited...

 

[ponts]

Got any proof of this? I'd be shocked if "many" CGNers actually did that. In fact, I'd be quite surprised if any CGNers tried to get them prohibited...

REALLY....................


So you figure there is not one ANTI-GUN activist that is a member on our site?? Got any proof of that??

And yes CFC did in fact recieve MANY calls to that affect

 

[JohnC]

I'm sure the Wendyites (some of whom undoultedly are on this site) are all over this. And look for some police spokespeople to go public as well with calls for a ban. I remember a few years ago when they were trying to get a magazine fed shotgun banned, a member of the Toronto police being quoted in the Red Star " you can't hit ducks with that..."