Dispute over SMD-12 classification

Camp Cook, you are a genius! Coverting a 28" barrel and having him make a 14" one is the ultimate solution to all shotgunning needs!!! Let us know how that goes, I for one would go that way too.

Troutseeker
 
I can totally see the purpose of the 28", and even a 20" or 24" slug barrel; but why a 14"?
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I was wondering about that. The value of a 14 is to make it a defense gun for bears and such or a survival tool... which is already covered by the 8.

The 20's, or 28's, would be valuable to turn the gun into a practical hunting rig or trap gun. But the 14 seems somehow a little redundant.
 
Foxer said:
I was wondering about that. The value of a 14 is to make it a defense gun for bears and such or a survival tool... which is already covered by the 8.

The 20's, or 28's, would be valuable to turn the gun into a practical hunting rig or trap gun. But the 14 seems somehow a little redundant.
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Magazine capacity for home defence maybe? It seems semi redundant... but I honestly wouldn't want to carry a 8.5" barreled gun ever, except for cool factor.
 
Magazine capacity for home defence maybe? It seems semi redundant... but I honestly wouldn't want to carry a 8.5" barreled gun ever, except for cool factor.
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Well, realistically why wouldn't you buy a proper 14 inch version to begin with then? Then any barrel fits anyway and you've got the longer mag.

Like any other gun, this one isn't for ALL applications, but if what you want is a very small platform and the flexibility to 'go big' if you feel like, it'd be a good choice if additional barrels were offered.

For those who want a proper full sized shotgun (short barrel or not), they're better off going with one of those out of the gate.
 
Foxer said:
Well, realistically why wouldn't you buy a proper 14 inch version to begin with then? Then any barrel fits anyway and you've got the longer mag.

Like any other gun, this one isn't for ALL applications, but if what you want is a very small platform and the flexibility to 'go big' if you feel like, it'd be a good choice if additional barrels were offered.

For those who want a proper full sized shotgun (short barrel or not), they're better off going with one of those out of the gate.
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True, a HP9 is what, $350 or something?

Probably better off to buy a 8.5 dlask and a wingmaster/express/hp9, and add barrels to that. You can get a ok gun for about the same price as a 14" dlask barrel I think.
 
Probably better off to buy a 8.5 dlask and a wingmaster/express/hp9, and add barrels to that. You can get a ok gun for about the same price as a 14" dlask barrel I think.
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For the most part. Although it'd be nice to be able to bring just one spare barrel and convert to a hunting gun if you want.

I think i'd probably go wiht the 'regular gun + spares/ smd-12' combo personally, but still.. nice to have choice.
 
I talked to Joe today as of right now they are too busy building the 8.5's to even think about other barrel lengths.

Joe said when he has the time he could make the 12.5" and 14" but to convert an existing barrel may not work and could be a problem that he would have to look into before he can say yea or nea...

In regards to the different lengths that I want I already have to many different guns for all of the different applications I was thinking of.

My son for example would only have this one shotgun and if I could throw in a couple of extra barrels to make it an all round system for any application that he could use a shotgun for would be fantastic...
 
Camp Cook said:
I'm going to call him back today and find out if he can convert one of my 28" barrels and also build one of his 14" barrels to fit the 8.5" gun which would turn this into a shooting system not just the most awesome little shotgun that I have ever shot...
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Dlask is/was intending to make a 14” barrel and magazine extension for the short mag tube 8.5” guns.
 
Anyone have any idea when the court will be done with it? Within 2007 ? Or will this last many years, going from one court to the other???
 
Who knows? Right now we're 'winning' so to speak (as in it's been deemed legal and non-restricted).

I expect it will likely have more to do with what gov't is in power. If the cpc gets in, we've got a strong chance and likely the 'other side' will give up. If the libs get in it won't matter - they'll change the laws.
 
Foxer said:
I was wondering about that. The value of a 14 is to make it a defense gun for bears and such or a survival tool... which is already covered by the 8.

The 20's, or 28's, would be valuable to turn the gun into a practical hunting rig or trap gun. But the 14 seems somehow a little redundant.
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Who cares about the value of the gun or the practicality....If it is legal to own then leave all alone.....

Sounds like you are turning to the "who need handguns crowd"
 
Who cares about the value of the gun or the practicality....If it is legal to own then leave all alone.....

Sounds like you are turning to the "who need handguns crowd"
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Coltfan, this is remarkably simple. And i'm going to give you a SECOND warning about just attacking me out of the blue. We just gave rollingrock a time out for doing it to you - do you really think we'll let you do it to others? Smarten up.

To answer your question tho - You are looking at it from the point of view of 'should someone be allowed to own one', whereas I was answering a question from the point of view of "what is the market for one'.

People buy guns because they a) - just really like that gun, which is fine or b) - because they have an application. People can own whatever they like, i don't critisize that. But from a "b" point of view, which is where a company like dlask has to appeal on some degree because they have limited resources and must appeal to the widest market, the benefit of a 'short shotgun' is already covered by the 8 inch barrel.

Let me put it this way - i have no problem with someone having a 30 inch barrel on their shottie. Or a 29. Or a 28. Or a 27. Or a 26. Etc etc. But remmington would be stupid to make ALL of those lengths - they'd have a tonne of stock for which people would have little PRACTICAL use, and while some may chose to buy a few here or there, it would be a waste of energy.

Those few people who just 'want' that will be served well enough by the custom barrel manufacturers.
 
JohnMc said:
Dlask is/was intending to make a 14” barrel and magazine extension for the short mag tube 8.5” guns.
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I don't think I'd even bother withthe mag-tube extension.

If the 8.5" gun came as a set with the pistol-grip, a full length butt and a 28" barrel (with choke tubes) it'd be a near-perfect all-round set-up.
With the 28" tube and standard mag it holds more ammo than my O/U shotty.

Then offer a 20+" rifled barrel with a scout-type scope mount.

Again, I just don't see the point for the 14" tube in the equation.
 
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