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Armed Hippie said:
socialism is a broad term, universal health care is a socialist idea for example. Insurance is in a sense socialist, paying taxes to fund fire departments is socialist. Socialism doesn’t necessarily mean One party Leninist communist regimes.

In a perfectly implemented laissez faire society you would pay for the services of firefighters putting out a fire in your kitchen, you would pay for doctors to operate or treat unavoidable illness even if it unjustly bankrupts you.

Unchecked capitalism has led to grotesque abuses and manipulations by wealthy executives. Cutting taxes and eliminating social programs (a conservatives wet dream) doesn’t solve poverty, crime, homelessness, mental health issues or the opioid crisis. It literally intensifies every single one of those issues.

I personally don’t believe anyone is free to accumulate as much excessive wealth as they want at the direct expense of plunging others into crisis.
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I 100% agree with you, there needs to be a balance. Right wing political groups are just as dangerous as left wing ones. I think that the folks on here who are reaching for that very right wing "utopia" will soon regret their choice if it came to fruition. I'm not saying what we currently have is perfect, far from it. There is a lot of work to do, and simply ignoring half the people in this country isn't the way to achieve our goals.
 
How we keep all the land except a 15 km strip from montreal to Quebec city and grant independence to this new Quebec? Francophones can move to this new Quebec

Problem solved.
 
Armed Hippie said:
This is a problem with the firearm community. There is far too much infighting in regards to political views.

Being a gun owner does not obligate you to adopt a right wing political agenda like many here feel it should. I want to keep my guns, enjoy them and believe Canadians should have a right to own them.

Just because some of us here disagree with conservative ideology does not make us Trudeau loving anti-gunners, it simply means we disagree on other subjects.

Whoever this law student was clearly wasn’t considering the ramifications of this letter. Clearly it’s pushing stereotypes and is a humorous jab but it alienates the substantial minority of non-conservative gun enthusiasts.

We need to band together under the goal of gun rights, straying away from our main goal into right wing fantastical separatism and hooliganism will split this community and make it weak.
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This here is knowledge, my friends. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.. "United we stand, Divided we fall."
Wouldn't be surprised if this "Anonymous law student" is on government payroll. Ironic.
 
This is a great piece even our complete lack of a “leader” could (however he should) understand. “United we stand, divided we fall” yes! However if we can never achieve a unified state well it is best we cut our losses Wexit and take a stand with what little we can manage to keep united whilst the east decays and slowly reintegrates itself back in after realizing how well off we are without them. Btw no government really wants it’s citizens to be armed bc it’s the last defence anyone has against their tyranny.
 
Yabsdabs said:
This is a great piece even our complete lack of a “leader” could (however he should) understand. “United we stand, divided we fall” yes! However if we can never achieve a unified state well it is best we cut our losses Wexit and take a stand with what little we can manage to keep united whilst the east decays and slowly reintegrates itself back in after realizing how well off we are without them. Btw no government really wants it’s citizens to be armed bc it’s the last defence anyone has against their tyranny.
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So by isolating yourselves atop the ivory tower, you seek to belittle tyranny?
 
nowarningshot said:
We live in a capitalist world. Its the engine that generates the revenue to pay for all these social programs. Even the poorest and most corrupt places have police, fire, sanitation......basic services, your screaming at the rain on those points. The nonsense wasteful programs, government literally loses money....printing money. Now we have a government determined to destroy 30% of national GDP for ideology, add a carbon tax that leaves farmers unable to run machines or dry grain, foreign policy that lost the prairies their biggest market, corruption, and obstruction of justice. Your socialist utopia is looking exactly like every other ever tried. You know, the ones that stacked 100 million corpses in the 20th century.
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Canada's firearm industry worth 30% of the National GDP? You must be kidding.
 
apexanimal said:
Being opposed to socialism does not make you right wing, it makes you not extreme left. I am opposed to extreme ideology; socialism is an extreme ideology because it inherently means a central organization taking from one group and redistributing it as they see fit. These types of governments are almost exclusively the types to ban personal firearm ownership. Opposing this isnt right wing, it's pro personal freedom which is what used to be the status quo for left and right before the goalposts were shifted drastically to the far left.
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There is no place for liberal gun owners within these forums, sadly.

i tell my co-gunners all the time that firearm ownership in the spirit of sporting, hunting and even self protection should not be political.

I'd like to see more liberal gun-owners rather than less and I would hope the rest of you do too.
 
J.Hancock said:
This here is knowledge, my friends. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.. "United we stand, Divided we fall."
Wouldn't be surprised if this "Anonymous law student" is on government payroll. Ironic.
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Right but if the only party in Canada who is openly supporting firearms rights is the CONSERVATIVE party, we need to be uniting behind them if we actually want to prevent any bans or have them reversed. There are people here insulting the only party who will protect their gun rights on the one hand, then saying we need "unity" on the other, it's oxymoronic. Obviously the conservatives are not perfect and i couldn't stand scheer, but to think any other party in Canada will do anything but a full ban given the chance, is delusional. We need to unite behind the conservatives as those are the MPs who have consistently represented us and actually proven they are willing to change the laws in our favor. And that is an indisputable fact, not a theory.
 
apexanimal said:
Right but if the only party in Canada who is openly supporting firearms rights is the CONSERVATIVE party, we need to be uniting behind them if we actually want to prevent any bans or have them reversed. There are people here insulting the only party who will protect their gun rights on the one hand, then saying we need "unity" on the other, it's oxymoronic. Obviously the conservatives are not perfect and i couldn't stand scheer, but to think any other party in Canada will do anything but a full ban given the chance, is delusional. We need to unite behind the conservatives as those are the MPs who have consistently represented us and actually proven they are willing to change the laws in our favor. And that is an indisputable fact, not a theory.
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Exactly. Communist & Socialist or anything left always brings a depressed society and of course no freedoms of any kind. The fact some of these people in here talk about balance is funny. We need a divorce.
 
Hahahaha as soon as something wants me to belong to a religious group to be included it's a whole load of #### no from me, doesn't matter the flavour.
"there have been 3000 gods so far but only yours actually exists. The others are silly made up nonsense, but yours, yours is real"
 
Watch for the Blackface's decision on Frontier Teck Mine in Alberta, it will be revealing for many still in doubt. I say Saskatchewan, Alberta and B.C. less Lower Mainland & Vancouver Island for starters. We'll do well.
 
kablam said:
There is no place for liberal gun owners within these forums, sadly.

i tell my co-gunners all the time that firearm ownership in the spirit of sporting, hunting and even self protection should not be political.

I'd like to see more liberal gun-owners rather than less and I would hope the rest of you do too.
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There are no liberal gun owners. The party or people that espouse those beliefs are literally ideological driven and on a team that is absolute now. They vote for themselves, not the nations best interests. Communist,Socialist,Marxists, champagne Socialists. Liberal is just a cover word for the dummies that think they are actually Liberal. It’s over. Divorce is the only answer.
 
apexanimal said:
Right but if the only party in Canada who is openly supporting firearms rights is the CONSERVATIVE party, we need to be uniting behind them if we actually want to prevent any bans or have them reversed. There are people here insulting the only party who will protect their gun rights on the one hand, then saying we need "unity" on the other, it's oxymoronic. Obviously the conservatives are not perfect and i couldn't stand scheer, but to think any other party in Canada will do anything but a full ban given the chance, is delusional. We need to unite behind the conservatives as those are the MPs who have consistently represented us and actually proven they are willing to change the laws in our favor. And that is an indisputable fact, not a theory.
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You realize that to one with "liberal ideals," that is making a deal with the devil. One must throw away his moral values and rally behind an inherently selfish philosophy in order to sustain freedom. Its like a really awful cable package deal.. cable television is obsolete my friends, just like oil and binary politics. We can have our cake and eat it to if we don't play into this "divide and conquer" strategy the anti-gun agenda is implementing. Furthermore, to think that the conservatives wouldn't infringe on our rights, even firearm rights, given the opportunity, is fantasy.
 
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J.Hancock said:
You realize that to one with "liberal ideals," that is making a deal with the devil. One must throw away his moral values and rally behind an inherently selfish philosophy in order to sustain freedom. Its like a really awful cable package deal.. cable television is obsolete my friends, just like Oil. We can have our cake and eat it to if we don't play into this "divide and conquer" strategy the anti-gun agenda is implementing. Furthermore, to think that the conservatives wouldn't infringe on our rights, even firearm rights, given the opportunity, is fantasy.
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Then whats your solution, if voting for the only party that is currently not proposing to ban our firearms is off the table.
 
apexanimal said:
Then whats your solution, if voting for the only party that is currently not proposing to ban our firearms is off the table.
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I cant give you your solution. It would be nice to have a democracy without a house of commons, "imagine" voting on individual bills/laws, democratically, without being subjected to the personalities, opinions and ideologies of politicians, nor the divisiveness and tribal/gang mentality of our current socio-political structure, whatever it is.
 
J.Hancock said:
I cant give you your solution. It would be nice to have a democracy without a house of commons, "imagine" voting on individual bills/laws, democratically, without being subjected to the personalities, opinions and ideologies of politicians, nor the divisiveness and tribal/gang mentality of our current socio-political structure, whatever it is.
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So you're advocating for a pure democracy? Everyone votes on every issue?
 
Democracy is simply Mob rule. We need a Republic where the rights of the individual are not over whelmed by the whims of the majority.

Time for Libertarianism and yes, Canada needs to be taken back to the days before Confederation and let those who want to live in a prison do so and those who want to live free, move to the free zones.
 
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