Do Gun Stores Need to See Your LTATT?

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Okay, this might be a stupid question... I've been shooting non-restricted for decades, but I just decided to get into pistol shooting. I have my RPAL already and my LTATT application is in progress.

Once I have my LTATT in hand, when I go to purchase my first restricted weapon, do I need to bring that to the gun store before they will let me take it home?

Or is it more a case of it's my responsibility to have an ATT? In other words, if the gun store gives me the gun to take home, and I didn't have an ATT, it's my problem, I go to jail, not them.

I have no problem with showing the LTATT to the gun store at all. Not a big deal. This is more a question of personal responsibility. I'm in favour of personal responsibility, and therefore I feel that it's really not the gun store's concern if I have the proper documentation, other than the RPAL, which obviously they need to transfer it to my name.

Of course, if it is a legal requirement that the gun store sees my ATT, then that is a different story. I guess I'm asking if they legally need to see it, or they just want to see it, or they don't usually care (it's my problem)?

(Don't worry, I won't be transporting or buying anything until I have my ATT. I'm asking mainly out of curiosity and to better understand procedures for restricted firearms).
 
The CFO will know that you have a LTATT when they do the transfer, no need to have it with you.

And it's a "restricted firearm", not a "weapon".
 
Keller said:
The CFO will know that you have a LTATT when they do the transfer, no need to have it with you.

And it's a "restricted firearm", not a "weapon".
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It's a weapon if you're a piece of paper stapled to a piece of cardboard... :) Yes, I stand corrected... It's a firearm to everyone else.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Although, I do need to actually have the piece of paper with me while transporting the firearm, right? Just don't need to show the gun store because they'll see it on the computer system?
 
AFAIK, there is no requirement for the gun store to see (or you to show) a LTATT.

FYI, a LTATT would be of no use to a gun store. They are issued to travel from your place to an approved range (at least in Ontario).
 
You will need a STATT (short term ATT) to take the handgun home. The store will not let you take it without one. It is possible that the store will apply for a STATT on your behalf when they initiate the transfer process.
 
mdmaroon said:
It's a weapon if you're a piece of paper stapled to a piece of cardboard... :) Yes, I stand corrected... It's a firearm to everyone else.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Although, I do need to actually have the piece of paper with me while transporting the firearm, right? Just don't need to show the gun store because they'll see it on the computer system?
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If you have a LTATT and you are transporting your restricted firearms to and from the locations on your LTATT, you should absolutely have the piece of paper with you.

Once you purchase your restricted firearm you will be issued a STATT to take it home. Usually this is a piece of paper, but sometimes they will just give you a number to write down.
 
Generally speaking, when the store initiates the transfer with the CFC/CFO it is customary to also apply for the STATT at the same time. When the transfer to you is completed and you pickup the firearm, your STATT should be waiting for you along with the temporary registration.
 
Isn't to and from a gun dealer one of the common approvals on a LTATT?

At least I'm pretty sure that was one of the boxes that I checked. So assuming it says that, would I still need a STATT?

Otherwise, I'm waiting for my LTATT for nothing. I could go shopping right now?

I'm in BC, by the way.
 
Heres how it works

You goto gun store you get your long term by sending in paper work to CFO they send you paper work.

The gun store needs

Name
Pal
Address
Phone #
Place of birth (CFO start doing this for restricted not to long ago)
Club membership (Ie Joe Range down the road)

They call the CFO give them their info the firearms info serial ect they do the transfer goes to the provincial CFO. They put it in a line. Then they look at your info make sure you have long term att. Check the reason why you want a restricted (Target shooting, Protection, Collection, 1 other reason I can't remember) If they do target shooting then they check to see that you can transport firearms to the range. Once that's complete they issue a short term transport from the gun store to your home or storage location. They fax or email the store the store then prints the paper work and calls you to pick it up. Then you just go pick it up lock it up as per the transportation regulations most people forget trigger locks then just buy them at the store. (or a case) Then that’s it
 
mdmaroon said:
Isn't to and from a gun dealer one of the common approvals on a LTATT?

At least I'm pretty sure that was one of the boxes that I checked. So assuming it says that, would I still need a STATT?

Otherwise, I'm waiting for my LTATT for nothing. I could go shopping right now?

I'm in BC, by the way.
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no it is not
 
sdlonyer said:
no it is not
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I stand corrected. It said gunsmith, not dealer.

But what if I buy from a dealer that also offers gun smithing services? Then I would be transporting between them and my home. I would therefore be doing something that the LTATT allows. (If it specifically says to and from gunsmith, and the dealer is also a gunsmith).

My head hurts.

Basically, if I go and buy a gun, will I get a STATT to take it home before I get my LTATT? Or do I need the LTATT before the CFO will even consider issuing a STATT?

I am a member of a club that has a pistol range.
 
mdmaroon said:
My head hurts.

Basically, if I go and buy a gun, will I get a STATT to take it home before I get my LTATT? Or do I need the LTATT before the CFO will even consider issuing a STATT?

I am a member of a club that has a pistol range.
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Mine does too, but you need your LTATT before you can get a STATT in B.C.:mad:
 
Rogwp said:
Mine does too, but you need your LTATT before you can get a STATT in B.C.:mad:
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Ahhhhh, I think I understand now.

I was under the impression that if you had an LTATT you'd have no need for a STATT. Or that you would get an STATT if you just want to take the gun home and lock it in your safe.

Seems ridiculous. If they didn't want me to have a restricted firearm, then why did they give me an RPAL?

I guess all the pieces of paper make some liberals, communists, and criminals feel better. They know it'll take a few extra weeks for a responsible, law-abiding, productive citizen to get a handgun.

Anyway, thanks for clearing up the confusion for me, y'all.
 
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i live in sk and bought a restricted in edm alberta from a dealer on this site and they required an ltatt before they released .... wasnt a problem for me ... cant do #### with the toy without it anyway. think about it ... in my case , and guessing yours, you can only possess for target and to do target you need ltatt .. lordy me
 
This is all just us guessing.

Wait until you get your LATT and the exact wording on it will determine where you can and can not transport.

There is nothing in the law that says you have to show a store anything but your PAL. But there is also nothing that says they have to sell to you either. I personally will not buy from people that demand more info from me than they are legally entitled to.

Shawn
 
In Ontario I needed a restricted gun before my club will even apply for att, I purchased a restricted gun and the store applied for temp att, now I have to wait until I'm finished probation at gun club so they will apply for ltatt, process never makes sense to rational people but like its been said it make these anti gunners feel safe I guess
 
shawn said:
This is all just us guessing.
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We are not guessing.

Each CFO has determined their own policy, so the "rules" vary from province to province.

In B.C. you need your LTATT first, and for that you need to belong to a gun club (does not have to have a range:)), then you can have handguns transferred to your name, obtain a STATT and take it home. With your LTATT you can go to the range, gunsmiths and borders.

So far this process has taken me 6 months from taking a rPAL course to (almost) receiving my first handgun. It is in the mail as we speak. I may or may not require a STATT to take it from my mailbox to my house, or not, depending if the post person delivers it to my mailbox, my house, or requires me to go to the post office to sign for it:):)

I forgot to answer the OP's question. I did not need to show any documentation to purchase the handgun except my rPAL.
 
Rogwp said:
We are not guessing.

Each CFO has determined their own policy, so the "rules" vary from province to province.

In B.C. you need your LTATT first, and for that you need to belong to a gun club (does not have to have a range:)), then you can have handguns transferred to your name, obtain a STATT and take it home. With your LTATT you can go to the range, gunsmiths and borders.

So far this process has taken me 6 months from taking a rPAL course to (almost) receiving my first handgun. It is in the mail as we speak. I may or may not require a STATT to take it from my mailbox to my house, or not, depending if the post person delivers it to my mailbox, my house, or requires me to go to the post office to sign for it:):)

I forgot to answer the OP's question. I did not need to show any documentation to purchase the handgun except my rPAL.
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So you don't have an LATT yet so how is this not guessing?

I am aware that the CFOs have their own policys on ATTs. The point is look up some threads on here about ATTs it is not unusual for people from the same province to have completely different ATTs. BC is actually one that I remember hearing about the most in reference to different ATTs.

All anyone can say for sure is what it says on their ATT, and that is one of the issues we have with the CFOs among other things.

There is a member here that is currently in court about this very subject and has collected ATTs from all over Canada and multiples form each province to show that the law is not being applied equally.

Shawn
 
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