Do you believe the RCMP did or did not keep info from the gun registry
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Quebec is already making huge efforts to make that happen. Its not even close to be a law in PQ that they are already forecasting cost explosion...
1. Do they really need a registry. Every time you buy a gun at a store it is recorded if you like it or not. If I sold the gun my computer will have all corresponding emails as to who bought it. Just because I delete it doesn't mean it's gone
2. How many people do you actually know with a pal or rpal that don't own a gun. I don't know 1. But let's say 1% don't that is pretty good odds
2. How many people do you actually know with a pal or rpal that don't own a gun. I don't know 1. But let's say 1% don't that is pretty good odds
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I work in IT and make my living downloading data from other systems using various means. It would cost very little for various depts to have their IT guy's download portions of the registry when it was available. Yes even through their user interface been there done that. So are there other copies out there I cannot say 100%, But most likely there is. Now how much of use are they?? I don't know, But the NDP did claim at one point they would use them if they were available. How well they could force each and every local detachment to check every PAL holder in their area.
Ahh Yes, the High River Anniversary Revival thread...
Just in time too .
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Tight Hats and Dry Boots.
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Those are the only 4 words you need to prove they kept the info
There was a time when the RCMP was a honorable agency.
There was also a time when we took immigrants that respected our rules and customs.
There was a time when politicians had a reasonable degree of integrity and morality.
It is only going to become more lawless as time goes on in spite of more and more laws.
There was also a time when we took immigrants that respected our rules and customs.
There was a time when politicians had a reasonable degree of integrity and morality.
It is only going to become more lawless as time goes on in spite of more and more laws.
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i'm only 51 yrs old.must of been before that.
People were compromising this registry shortly after it started. It wasn't well protected and put people at risk by providing a very convenient shopping list. There was a case in montreal a few months ago where the police were still using the registry to help them in an investigation. Everyone and their dog has access to this list. By the time someone was ordered to destroy it, it was impossible as too many organizations and shady people already had private list of varying up to date accuracy. You know our intelligence agency has it bouncing around no way they would give up something so juicy.
When they were holding the hearings (or whatever the committee thing was called) during the scrapping of the LGR there was a female RCMP officer there answering questions.
She testified about how many times a day "the long gun registry was accessed by law enforcement" - finally after a ton of questioning it was finally dragged out of her that the info they were providing was not what "long guns" were at a particular residence, but whether anyone at that residence had a Firearms Licence.
The LGR was unreliable at the best of times - it was meant to placate inner-city residents primarily in Toronto and Montreal.
I had a half dozen rifles and shotguns that I had "borrowed" - there never was a requirement for me to call up and say "hey, I now have these in my possession", nor was there a requirement for the guy lending them to tell anyone he didn't have them anymore in his "physical possession".
So even if that unreliable data, that was only even valid as far as the "registered owner" was concerned a couple years back exists somewhere it's of little to no value and I personally don't care if some guy has a thumb drive that says "at least at some point I owned a .22, a 12 gauge and whatever else".
And the High River grab was probably done on the basis of "who had a POL/PAL or RPAL at the time" - there is a licence tied to this address, they went in to see if any guns were laying around. Or do some of you really think they printed off "lists" of what was "supposedly" in the possession of a given owner and stopped looking as soon as they found the 30-30 and 20 gauge that was "on the list"?
And no, not every single holder of a licence has a firearm - but it's certainly a pretty good indication that a firearm "might be present" - and if you were a cop going to a domestic call, that single piece of information is all you really ever needed.
I "don't have" four or five of the rifles that were registered to me under the LGR, I have eight or nine others that came afterwards - so I don't care if someone has my outdated info - it's of no value.
But I did notice a black van parked down the road from my place - should I be worried????
She testified about how many times a day "the long gun registry was accessed by law enforcement" - finally after a ton of questioning it was finally dragged out of her that the info they were providing was not what "long guns" were at a particular residence, but whether anyone at that residence had a Firearms Licence.
The LGR was unreliable at the best of times - it was meant to placate inner-city residents primarily in Toronto and Montreal.
I had a half dozen rifles and shotguns that I had "borrowed" - there never was a requirement for me to call up and say "hey, I now have these in my possession", nor was there a requirement for the guy lending them to tell anyone he didn't have them anymore in his "physical possession".
So even if that unreliable data, that was only even valid as far as the "registered owner" was concerned a couple years back exists somewhere it's of little to no value and I personally don't care if some guy has a thumb drive that says "at least at some point I owned a .22, a 12 gauge and whatever else".
And the High River grab was probably done on the basis of "who had a POL/PAL or RPAL at the time" - there is a licence tied to this address, they went in to see if any guns were laying around. Or do some of you really think they printed off "lists" of what was "supposedly" in the possession of a given owner and stopped looking as soon as they found the 30-30 and 20 gauge that was "on the list"?
And no, not every single holder of a licence has a firearm - but it's certainly a pretty good indication that a firearm "might be present" - and if you were a cop going to a domestic call, that single piece of information is all you really ever needed.
I "don't have" four or five of the rifles that were registered to me under the LGR, I have eight or nine others that came afterwards - so I don't care if someone has my outdated info - it's of no value.
But I did notice a black van parked down the road from my place - should I be worried????
I don't think it's ridiculous at all, and I honestly can't see how you think it could be. Myself, like many gun owners I know, have a terrible time parting ways with our beloved sons. Many i know well have not sold a gun in their collection ever. So, what was registered once, is very likely still in some people's collections, and therefore possession.
We have no evidence that they actually destroyed registry data as ordered. There are no destruction certificates, auditor verification of any form of attestation etc... However we do have evidence through High River - that they in fact, they have records they shouldn't.
From my perspective, its about violation of law with no repercussions. It's not about the value the old stale data has. That isn't the point.
I'm not sure I would go that far, and regardless of data outside the central registrar, those records were collected for the registrar. Said data is not legally retained, in registry form or not. On the other hand, we know that bureaucrats and some governments actually do what they damn well please.
Have you guys watched any of the press releases for #catchthesniper ? They're still able to track "The origin" of a non-restricted firearm. How else do they get that information? the registry might of died, but its still in use for certain investigations. Watch the presser. "This rifle has a connection to the montreal area, I cannot go into details on how we know that"
Would get interesting if they caught and attempted to prosecute someone for the murder using evidence they cannot divulge..
