MasterPython
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Calgary AB
I have encountered some deer in parks that could be taken with pointy sticks. You might as well be hunting cows.
Do you find this fair??? Indians allowed to hunt Provincial Land in Shorthills
- Thread starter IH8ATTN
- Start date
I have encountered some deer in parks that could be taken with pointy sticks. You might as well be hunting cows.
I'd love to get one myself so my grocery bill would be lower, but I'm not allowed, is that fair to me? I pay for a licence every year, why are my rights taken away?
Lol. Yeah, that about sums it up.
- Location
- Prince Albert, Sk
We took everything from them, this is the start of giving back what is theirs.
Just once I want to ask a leader "please tell me what would be enough, how much can we give to you in order for you to say it's all even and that whitey isn't bringing down the natives anymore?" Just define it in black and white.
Just once I want to ask a leader "please tell me what would be enough, how much can we give to you in order for you to say it's all even and that whitey isn't bringing down the natives anymore?" Just define it in black and white.
And pay for "them" also!!! It's a good slap in the face!!
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
When everything is free,little is appreciated and nothing is ever enough.
you must have rich indians in your neck of the woods, cause at the res closest to me, they drive sh*tbox cars, run them till they disintegrate, leave them where they sit,then buy another 100$ car. out of the 3-400 of them on this res, maybe a dozen at most have a job. The rest are stereotypical.
I think we should give them more.
i wont even go into what i think of the indian act.
Here's a better idea let's send in sharpshooters and dump the bodies in a landfill...
What is your motivation with your post here and every other site you are a member of? Maybe, you spotted a big set of antlers in the park and want them hanging on your wall instead of someone else's?
Local first nations feeding their families seems like good option to control a localized deer over population.
What is your motivation with your post here and every other site you are a member of? Maybe, you spotted a big set of antlers in the park and want them hanging on your wall instead of someone else's?
Local first nations feeding their families seems like good option to control a localized deer over population.
Obviously reading isn't your strong suit is it? He clearly stated what his motivation was and what he'd like to see.
What about the white folk that would like to feed their families? Why do generations now have to continue to suffer at the expense of the Natives receiving every benefit their is? When is enough; when will the 'debt' be repaid? It's not like traditions have been kept one bit, so I don't even feel like treaties should be valid.
Last edited:
So does having a draw for people that pay year after year to hunt deer but didnt get to fill their tag. I feed my family with anything I harvest to, is my family or my needs less important than someone else, I pay taxes, LOTS of them, so why am I not invited to this hunt? I have never collected unemployment or government assistance in my entire life and almost 30 years of working, havent I EARNED the right for something nice. Discrimination is the best word I can think of, but hey, thats just me, the dumb guy that works hard and will work himself to death to support his country and cant get a free ride for anything in MY life.
Ok so what do you suggest? We are talking a small provincial park and 50,000 deer hunters in the province.
How do you make it fair for everyone?
You can't so the choice is pick a small group or dump them in a landfill.
I prefer letting someone use the meat than it going to waste.
How do you make it fair for everyone?
You can't so the choice is pick a small group or dump them in a landfill.
I prefer letting someone use the meat than it going to waste.
If it is all about paying taxes, maybe we should offer the opportunity to hunt based on highest taxes paid.
Work our way down of the list of most taxed people until all of the tags are filled.
Would that be better?
Personally I count myself blessed that I have the opportunity to hunt deer almost anywhere in this province for 3 months of the year.
I am not a greedy man that is enough for me whether I am lucky enough to tag one or not.
Work our way down of the list of most taxed people until all of the tags are filled.
Would that be better?
Personally I count myself blessed that I have the opportunity to hunt deer almost anywhere in this province for 3 months of the year.
I am not a greedy man that is enough for me whether I am lucky enough to tag one or not.
put it this way, its not a matter of how much taxes you pay into the system its the fact that you paid into the system. I myself am considered a visible minority (well atleast in my city) and I am being discriminated on as well as everyone else. It doesn't matter if your black, white, hispanic, or asian I think anyone should have the opportunity to part take in this hunt and not just aboriginals. We all have spent countless times in the bush and some were more lucky than others. So when I find out that Indians are having the right to hunt a provincial park that has never been hunted before to "provide food for their families" why can't people that paid good money and maybe didn't fill their tag have an opportunity to fill their tag. I understand why they picked this park because it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel if they play their cards right, but hopefully these deer are smart enough to figure out something is not right and scatter, but I am sure the sirens and other things people will be sounding off at the edge of the park (protestors) will give them fair warning.
So why is a DRAW not fair? Letting only one group of people is no more fair than....well....ANYTHING. I work hard, I pay my taxes, I pay to hunt legally, I have JUST AS MUCH RIGHT as the next guy does, as do all the other people that are NOT native, I dont trophy hunt, I hunt to put meat in my freezer, I dont sell it, I dont waste it, I use every last bit opf it, so why cant we all get the same rights, I WAS born here, so where my parents and all of my grand parents, am i not a Canadian, am I not native to Canada, yes I sure the
am!!!Good luck to the Indians that get to do this hunt, I hope every animal shot is actually killed and not just mamed to die a slow and painful death, must be nice to just keep getting handouts for hundreds of years and not have to give anything back to the country that gives them so much.....
Last edited:
Oh absolutely there are some world class bucks in there for sure, but I hunt to fill my freezer, if I am truly blessed a trophy comes in second. They still haven't released what they are allowed to shoot but it seems like a free for all basically. What is my motivation you ask? First off I wanted people to be aware this was going on and have their input on it. A lot of people didn't know about this locally and the word has definitely got out now. We are talking about rights and it seems like we don't have any rights anymore as hunters. In this WMU its bows only Oct 1st -Dec 31st, 30 mins before sunrise and 30 mins after sunrise. So why is there a special season afterwards, in a provincial park?? Why is it opened to only a certain race?
^^^^This exactly!!! I am a status Indian, what is happening all over the country is very disturbing to me! Unfortunately most don't share my views with regards to our rights. I realize that not everybody agrees with us having more rights than everyone else, and to be honest I'm not so sure that I agree with it anymore either. There will always be those who abuse the system, it just seems to be so prevalent with First Nations. Very sad and impossible to defend! It reflects badly on those of us who hunt ethically and follow the rules.
Why do you keep talking about meat going to waste or dumping it in a landfill, please explain. In the article the park is overpopulated but they stated that is not the reason for their hunt. They obviously want to use this park as it will get their best odds of getting deer. Yes you can pick a choice group its called an open draw. They can throw it up on the MNR website and anyone that has purchased a tag has the opportunity to draw for the 20 spots for each of the 4 days. You must show proof of license and i.d at the day of and pick your spot, pretty simple. Now I know your going to say "well what if so and so doesn't show up". Well first of all have a waiting list or a back up list or if they don't show, well they had their chance, atleast they are getting the opportunity as they paid into the system. But regardless its not about thinning out the herd is it? (atleast as stated). So if they do let anyone hunt shorthills park it should be opened to everyone. Plain and simple.
All over Canada and the US "Nuisance Animals" (which deer are classed as when overpopulated) are shot by police, military or private contract sharpshooters and dumped into landfill. Most of the time you never hear about as they do it very quietly at night and have the bodies in the landfill before we wake up.
The issue with a draw is a matter of practicality and expense.
The draw could not simply be announced on the web as you would be discriminating against those without internet access, public notification would need to be equitable.
The best way would be to hold the appropriate public consultations with all interested parties, likely the most fair would be to split the WMU with a letter suffix for just the park. This would require further public consultations and to be implemented would require all the publications and websites containing WMU maps would need to updated along with the phone and internet tag systems.
So, administratively that draw would require at least 5-10 years and probably $1,000,000 to implement equitably and effectively. Realistically this problem is not big enough to require this level of government effort.
This means that a low cost solution to "Nuisance Animals" is going to be implemented, i.e. First Nations special harvest or OPP sharpshooters practicing their trade over a bait pile using night vision optics and a dump truck.
1. I don't want my taxes going to pay for a special draw.
2. I don't want the animals in a landfill.
The issue with a draw is a matter of practicality and expense.
The draw could not simply be announced on the web as you would be discriminating against those without internet access, public notification would need to be equitable.
The best way would be to hold the appropriate public consultations with all interested parties, likely the most fair would be to split the WMU with a letter suffix for just the park. This would require further public consultations and to be implemented would require all the publications and websites containing WMU maps would need to updated along with the phone and internet tag systems.
So, administratively that draw would require at least 5-10 years and probably $1,000,000 to implement equitably and effectively. Realistically this problem is not big enough to require this level of government effort.
This means that a low cost solution to "Nuisance Animals" is going to be implemented, i.e. First Nations special harvest or OPP sharpshooters practicing their trade over a bait pile using night vision optics and a dump truck.
1. I don't want my taxes going to pay for a special draw.
2. I don't want the animals in a landfill.
