Do you have your Type 81?

Do you have your Type 81 rifle?

  • Yes, fixed stock from TI, its a keeper.

    Votes: 72 40.7%

  • Yes, folding stock from TI, its a keeper.

    Votes: 61 34.5%

  • Yes, fixed stock from TI, its defective.

    Votes: 12 6.8%

  • Yes, folding stock from TI, its defective.

    Votes: 26 14.7%

  • Yes, fixed stock from Tenda, its a keeper.

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Yes, folding stock from Tenda, its a keeper.

    Votes: 2 1.1%

  • Yes, fixed stock from Tenda, its defective.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, folding stock from Tenda, its defective.

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Total voters
    177
What I don't get, overall, is has the manufacturer never heard of jigs?

Is it really that hard to drop the components into a jig, to rivet them up? It would seem that these are just loosely laid on a table to be hand riveted, to have the variances demonstrated.

All "if they function" points aside, I can't see why that would be so difficult to do. Just wondering.
 
Very well could have used jigs and just over the production run something in the setup loosened/shifted or plain wore out as the first off the line (fixed)seem to have less issue than the later built folders. Comes down to checking your setup and final product as you go to ensure you are pumping out in spec goods. Keep pumping it out without quality control checks as you go and you get T81 folders out of spec! Still too early to tell how bad the issue may be though.

Oh and nothing here yet! Still waiting on my folder.
 
I am happy with my purchase, it's in spec, it's not visually bent.

These are not CNC machined rifles with modern technology and molds, this is a new but old world manufacturing process with receivers made by the use of a stamping press, where receivers, literally are stamp out in sheet metal. These Type 81's are on par with Chinese Ak's, Romanian Ak's, Bulgaria etc... if you go on an American AK forum and ask them to lazer line their imported stamped AK's they would have the same issue...thats a fact, if its not visually bent then it's in spec... There are levels of OCD that should stick with CNC machined rifles...

Mine is not visually bent and I don't need to run lines down it to look for a bend

Loving mine:

IMG_3551 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr

50 yards with no adjustments to the sights, out of the box... A little adjustment to the front site post will put that group center

IMG_3557 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
 
Yes I'm sure their quality control check is done like "does the rifle cycle and shoot!" A few degree's bend in a stock or trunnion rivet job is well within their spec I'm betting.
 
Sinbad said:
The Jigs had no QC made in same factory
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LOL, good one!

SKS45 said:
I am happy with my purchase, it's in spec, it's not visually bent.

...thats a fact, if its not visually bent then it's in spec...
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I can agree with that. They are not family heirloom grandfather clocks. Fast look = no visible bend = good. There are a few, however, and the guy who measured 3/8" out, that make me wonder how that can happen, in the same batch. Maybe Bumse's brother fell asleep during assembling those ones? But certainly, if you have to look for it, it's good. If you see the tweak as soon as you shoulder the rifle, not so good.
 
ComradeVlad said:
There are 3 types of 81 owners out there.......... the ones who received relatively straight rifles and like them. ones who received relatively bent ones but dont mind it. and finally the ones who received bent ones and no solution from TI for it. Making them ultimately disappointed with the rifle.

The ignorance of others misfortune seems to be strong with the first group. I hope you'r all proud of it cus your sure at acting like it.
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Try buying a da50 from Canada ammo and then finding out it has excessive headspace.
 
SKS45 said:
I am happy with my purchase, it's in spec, it's not visually bent.

These are not CNC machined rifles with modern technology and molds, this is a new but old world manufacturing process with receivers made by the use of a stamping press, where receivers, literally are stamp out in sheet metal. These Type 81's are on par with Chinese Ak's, Romanian Ak's, Bulgaria etc... if you go on an American AK forum and ask them to lazer line their imported stamped AK's they would have the same issue...thats a fact, if its not visually bent then it's in spec... There are levels of OCD that should stick with CNC machined rifles...

Mine is not visually bent and I don't need to run lines down it to look for a bend

Loving mine:

IMG_3551 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr

50 yards with no adjustments to the sights, out of the box... A little adjustment to the front site post will put that group center

IMG_3557 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
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And it only cost $1100 for a 10MOA rifle...
So glad I didn't buy one of these lol.
 
SKS45 said:
I am happy with my purchase, it's in spec, it's not visually bent.

These are not CNC machined rifles with modern technology and molds, this is a new but old world manufacturing process with receivers made by the use of a stamping press, where receivers, literally are stamp out in sheet metal. These Type 81's are on par with Chinese Ak's, Romanian Ak's, Bulgaria etc... if you go on an American AK forum and ask them to lazer line their imported stamped AK's they would have the same issue...thats a fact, if its not visually bent then it's in spec... There are levels of OCD that should stick with CNC machined rifles...

Mine is not visually bent and I don't need to run lines down it to look for a bend

Loving mine:IMG_3551 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr

50 yards with no adjustments to the sights, out of the box... A little adjustment to the front site post will put that group center

IMG_3557 by Shawn Douglas, on Flickr
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looks like the wood on the hand guard of your rifle is all chipped already, is that normal?
 
Hitzy said:
And it only cost $1100 for a 10MOA rifle...
So glad I didn't buy one of these lol.
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It's not MOA rifle....!!! Your asking it to do something it wasn't desgined for. The PLA were trained to shoot at the belt and hit the chest... It's Minute of Man and thats what it does well.

The Russian military also train with a belt/waist sight acquisition with a POI in the chest... POI on a com block battle rifle is about 12 inches above POA.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
LOL, good one!



I can agree with that. They are not family heirloom grandfather clocks. Fast look = no visible bend = good. There are a few, however, and the guy who measured 3/8" out, that make me wonder how that can happen, in the same batch. Maybe Bumse's brother fell asleep during assembling those ones? But certainly, if you have to look for it, it's good. If you see the tweak as soon as you shoulder the rifle, not so good.
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Bumse's brother....Laugh2

That was good :)
 
SKS45 said:
It's not MOA rifle....!!! Your asking it to do something it wasn't desgined for. The PLA were trained to shoot at the belt and hit the chest... It's Minute of Man and thats what it does well.

The Russian military also train with a belt/waist sight acquisition with a POI in the chest... POI on a com block battle rifle is about 12 inches above POA.
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No it's not an MOA rifle, not even close lol. If I had anything that shot like that, you would never hear about it because I would quietly torch it to pieces and bury it in the dirt.

You obviously are getting POI/MOA and battle zeros all mixed up. If you are talking about hitting a 12" target consistently, you are basically out of range at 130 yards with that rifle you have there. I realize the 500m sights are somewhat optimistic, but 10moa is just brutal. I would hope the Commies train and arm themselves better then that.
I would expect 4-5moa at minimum out of one of these.
 
I will shoot my Type 81 Saturday and I dont expect any accuracy from my rifle. And thats not a disappointment to me Hitzy. I understand that this rifle was designed to hit a man sized targets at 100-200m. It was never designed to be 4-5 moa and hit clay pigons at 100m. The Chinese never needed the gun to be any more accurate because they believed that that their soldiers should rely on the 30 round magazine that the rifle takes to hit the target. This is the communist doctrine. Shoot a bunch of rounds and one will hit. Thats something that you need to accept Hitzy. This is a COMMUNIST rifle. It follows the same doctrine that the Russians used with the AK47 and AK74. It is ridiculous for you to expect this rifle to be 4-5 moa. Absolutely unreasonable.
 
FARMHANDYO said:
I will shoot my Type 81 Saturday and I dont expect any accuracy from my rifle. And thats not a disappointment to me Hitzy. I understand that this rifle was designed to hit a man sized targets at 100-200m. It was never designed to be 4-5 moa and hit clay pigons at 100m. The Chinese never needed the gun to be any more accurate because they believed that that their soldiers should rely on the 30 round magazine that the rifle takes to hit the target. This is the communist doctrine. Shoot a bunch of rounds and one will hit. Thats something that you need to accept Hitzy. This is a COMMUNIST rifle. It follows the same doctrine that the Russians used with the AK47 and AK74. It is ridiculous for you to expect this rifle to be 4-5 moa. Absolutely unreasonable.
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with these low expectations you would have done better buying a slingshot, and saved a bundle of cash in the process.
 
polaris said:
One showed up on the EE already.
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Probably the first of many. I have no illusions about this rifle. If mine is defective, it will be the vendor's problem, not mine.

If it's in good condition, it will be fun to see what I can coax out of it off the bench, and then it will become a back 50 carry rifle to spray bullets at porcupines.
 
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