Do you practise shooting off hand?

c-fbmi said:
HMMMMM........ in response to this derision, let me just say I'll match my trophy room against yours any day.
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You know what c-fbmi, it is responses like that where your true personality really shines through. I don't doubt that you have an impressive trophy room, money can buy anything. I know one local hunter personally(very wealthy) that has proven this to me, and he will admit it. And I will guarantee his trophy room is far more impressive than yours ever will be. You know sheep hunting so I am sure you probably know him or have heard of him.(no I wont mention his name)

The reason why I mention this person is that I have known him for quite some time and he is very humble and down to earth. He would never say a comment like you did in the above quote. That to me is what makes him an impressive person.

Comments like yours above show how truly arrogant you really are, but I am sure this is not news to you...
 
I practice offhand with all my long guns as often as I can. Send a couple downrange off a rest to make sure I'm zeroed and then practice some offhand and supported shots as well.
 
crazy_davey said:
You know what c-fbmi, it is responses like that where your true personality really shines through. I don't doubt that you have an impressive trophy room, money can buy anything. I know one local hunter personally(very wealthy) that has proven this to me, and he will admit it. And I will guarantee his trophy room is far more impressive than yours ever will be. You know sheep hunting so I am sure you probably know him or have heard of him.(no I wont mention his name)

The reason why I mention this person is that I have known him for quite some time and he is very humble and down to earth. He would never say a comment like you did in the above quote. That to me is what makes him an impressive person.

Comments like yours above show how truly arrogant you really are, but I am sure this is not news to you...
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I guess if you only equate a trophy room with money, then the entire point is lost on you.
The money is nothing compared to the time and effort invested in both the planning and undertaking of each hunt. Money doesn't climb the mountains day after day in search of a big ram, money doesn't sleep on the ice for 14 nights in -35 temps in the effort to harvest a 10'+ polar bear. It wasn't money walking mile after mile in the Botswana sand day after day until it wore the soles off it's feet, in the quest for a trophy elephant. And it wasn't money that pulled the trigger and made any of the shots that harvested these animals, some close and some far away.
Money only increases possibilities, it does not do the hunting or the shooting or the planning.
A trophy room, to me, has a whole different meaning, than apparently it does to you. I look at the mounts and can relive every single hunt, the hardships and the excitement, the failures and successes. It represents the dedication to a sport, extreme investment in time and effort and yes some money as well. When I refer to my trophy room this is what I'm referring to, the effort and dedication to a sport that gives me an experience base and background to support my opinions

Unless of coarse you were implying that my mounts are purchased, which is a whole different level of insult. I assure you not one animal represented in my collection was purchased nor harvested by anyone but yours truly, and under the code of fair chase!!
 
I practice some offhand - but know usually I don't practice enough.

I know my limitations, which is actually the largest single consideration that is overlooked.

I used to shoot a bench rest league - and the coffee/gun shop hero's who shoot consistent 1/2 groups at 200 yards off hand in a 20k wind were the same guys who had trouble shooting a 45 score from a bench at 100 yards.

My wife with a little coaching (from me - I take that credit cause she kicked my arse too :)) beat the lot of them - shooting about 50 - 2 and 3x scores each week.

If I shoot at game offhand - it has to be dirty close and no chance for getting a better position. I am not so vain as to need a trophy head and risk wounding an animal. A couple of bow hunting friends have really honed my skills on getting around quiet with stealth. Makes way more of the shots presented definitely within my limitations....
 
c-fbmi said:
When I refer to my trophy room this is what I'm referring to, the effort and dedication to a sport that gives me an experience base and background to support my opinions

Unless of coarse you were implying that my mounts are purchased, which is a whole different level of insult. I assure you not one animal represented in my collection was purchased nor harvested by anyone but yours truly, and under the code of fair chase!!
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If it looks like a duck....
 
Dogleg said:
Which personal pronoun and personal posessive would you prefer he use? He is after all referenceing his own experiences, accomplishments and abilities.
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Don't really care what he uses.

And not going to bite I am afraid.

Sorry to the original poster for my contribution to the derailment of your question.
 
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Dogleg said:
You seemed to care enough a minute ago.
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Back to the off-hand question.

When I was a kid and I had drawn my first Moose tag - my father built a steel gong that was 12" square.

After my rifle was sighted in, I spent evenings and weekends (and a great deal of IMR 4350) practising on that gong - shooting standing, sitting, kneeling and prone.
Through many rounds I became relatively proficient at ringing that sucker from all positions and at different distance.

For a general rule, I learned that the distance was relative to the rest. So for me and my abilities, the standing shots top at about 100 yards, sitting 200 and beyond prone/pack.

My favourite are still the 150 yard prone shots. And I am not sure if I am alone, but staring at a big 6 point Bull Elk or Bigorn Ram makes the "routine" stable shot a little more interesting with a healthy dose of buck fever...
 
c-fbmi said:
I guess if you only equate a trophy room with money, then the entire point is lost on you.
The money is nothing compared to the time and effort invested in both the planning and undertaking of each hunt. Money doesn't climb the mountains day after day in search of a big ram, money doesn't sleep on the ice for 14 nights in -35 temps in the effort to harvest a 10'+ polar bear. It wasn't money walking mile after mile in the Botswana sand day after day until it wore the soles off it's feet, in the quest for a trophy elephant. And it wasn't money that pulled the trigger and made any of the shots that harvested these animals, some close and some far away.
Money only increases possibilities, it does not do the hunting or the shooting or the planning.
A trophy room, to me, has a whole different meaning, than apparently it does to you. I look at the mounts and can relive every single hunt, the hardships and the excitement, the failures and successes. It represents the dedication to a sport, extreme investment in time and effort and yes some money as well. When I refer to my trophy room this is what I'm referring to, the effort and dedication to a sport that gives me an experience base and background to support my opinions

Unless of coarse you were implying that my mounts are purchased, which is a whole different level of insult. I assure you not one animal represented in my collection was purchased nor harvested by anyone but yours truly, and under the code of fair chase!!
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You still don't get it. It's not your trophy room or hunting stories we're all referring to, it's the constant boasting and arrogance of your and doglegs supposed shooting abilities. :puke:

You might be fooling some of the young and inexperienced, but I think that's the intent anyhow, sort of like the story of the 3000 lb Eland. ;)

Anyhow, back to the original topic of everyone else's inadequate offhand shooting.
 
I often see hunters at our range beginning in Sept, some as early as Aug, Sighting in thier rifles. I asked one partictular fellow, who was quite proud of the fact that he had been using the same box of ammo for about 5 years that if he only drove his car but once a year, would he consider himself a competent driver?

I am amased at how many people believe that their rifle is Zero'd because they fired from a bench rest, adjusted thier scope and headed fro the hunt. Yes, you have a mechanical zero but, what happens when you sling up for the shot, where does your point of aim go? That sling is used for a lot more than carrying that rifle.

I shoot Prone, kneeling, sitting and standing (Free hand) all year long, I shoot about 3,000 rounds in and out of competition (Not braging, actually complaining, that costs a lot of money LOL) in about 4 different calibres and I would consider my self a competent, not great hunter. I use a wonderful old (But new) 1955 Marlin 336 with a 3 to 9 Burris Fullfield and very accurate handloads.

Scott
 
When working up new loads or sighting in a rifle OR handgun, i'll shoot from a bench and sight in a couple inches high. After that, it's water jugs, pop cans, steel plates, and whatever else is on hand...offhand :) The exception is my 17HMR. It'll shoot nickel sized groups at 100 yards off of the bipod/bench, but freehand, it's extremely front heavy, and high mag scope does not lend itself well to freehand shots :)
 
bearkilr said:
You still don't get it. It's not your trophy room or hunting stories we're all referring to, it's the constant boasting and arrogance of your and doglegs supposed shooting abilities. :puke:

You might be fooling some of the young and inexperienced, but I think that's the intent anyhow, sort of like the story of the 3000 lb Eland. ;)

Anyhow, back to the original topic of everyone else's inadequate offhand shooting.
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You believe that the stated ability to keep most shots in a 8" circle at 100 yards is bragging? Or perhaps made up? Tells me all I need to know about yours.
 
Dogleg said:
You believe that the stated ability to keep most shots in a 8" circle at 100 yards is bragging? Or perhaps made up? Tells me all I need to know about yours.
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Yes, I'd consider this bragging and arrogant, from both of you.

Dogleg said:
On my first hunt I had 3 animals down in the first 2 hours with one shot apiece, and the PH still was suprised that I would even consider takeing a 300ish shot at a gemsbuck on hour three. I told him that I could make that shot on the worst day I ever had...........
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Dogleg said:
Its not hard to be better than average, the bar is set very low.
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c-fbmi said:
I got out and sat down on the edge of the track and levelled 4 with 4 shots from my Sako 300 WM and 180 parts. The smiles and looks exchanged between PH and tracker were priceless.

You are correct dogleg, the bar really isn't set too high!!
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Dogleg said:
What is easy to some can seem impossible to others.........
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c-fbmi said:
HMMMMM........ in response to this derision, let me just say I'll match my trophy room against yours any day.
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Whatever boys, I'm done playing..............
 
FFS, some people are better shots than others. and it isn't hard to be better than average. just spent some time at the range (be it rifle, pistol, or skeet).

did i ever tell you guys about the 2 gophers i got with one offhand shot? true story.
 
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