Do You Support Ownership of FA (full auto) Firearms?

Do you Support FA Firearm Ownership?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1,021 73.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 189 13.6%

  • No

    Votes: 177 12.8%
  • Total voters
    1,387
NO RESTRICTIONS, we should all have the right to own and use firearms. Once they have the ability to restrict ONE thing, it can lead to the restriction of the rest....


The USA is even getting ridiculous with "control"
 
even in wars it takes hundreds of thousands of bullets to result in a kill FA fire is highly ineffective at any real range, and at ranges where its superb, its still not as good as buck shot

the deadliest gun is the only one in the room...
 
Sure I would love to own full auto but if you stopped for one second to think what it would be like you would realize it is not realistic. Can you imagine all the hill-billy fudds they already have at the ranges shooting like retards with their sks's? Now add full auto the mix and people will be getting killed very fast.
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Lieberal bed wetting at its finest. Shake off the state sponsored brain washing and WAKE UP!

There are millions of registered FA's in the US and yet for some reason we never hear about people getting killed at shooting ranges. Turn off the CBC and start thinking for yourself bud.



FA fire is highly ineffective at any real range, and at ranges where its superb, its still not as good as buck shot
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Uh huh .... which is why we see modern armies moving away from select fire weapons and adopting the latest technology, the pump action shotguns ......
 
I have no strong feelings one way or another about FA. Naturally, any degree of freedom (in anything) allows greater opportunity that someone is going to abuse it to harm others, and it is not my place to say everyone should be willing to assume risks for the pleasures of few.
 
Suputin said:
Lieberal bed wetting at its finest. Shake off the state sponsored brain washing and WAKE UP!

There are millions of registered FA's in the US and yet for some reason we never hear about people getting killed at shooting ranges. Turn off the CBC and start thinking for yourself bud.





Uh huh .... which is why we see modern armies moving away from select fire weapons and adopting the latest technology, the pump action shotguns ......
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There isn't a million FA in the US. There is actually only a pool of about 100,000 of them. All FA in the US are pre-'86. You can only be a dealer to own something made after 1986. That is why they are so expensive. It's supply and demand. In the US it's a rich mans sport...
 
I'm of the opinion that it should be legal, however, ownership of automatic firearms should require jumping through hoops. Range membership would have to be mandatory, shooting outside of the range illegal, and (no offense to any of you that have...) those with criminal backgrounds of a certain severity should be prohibited from owning them.

I'd rather see limited magazine capacity removed, personally. It's senseless telling me I can't have 30 round magazines, when I can probably load stripper clips in my SKS just as fast as changing a magazine.
 
easysauce said:
even in wars it takes hundreds of thousands of bullets to result in a kill FA fire is highly ineffective at any real range, and at ranges where its superb, its still not as good as buck shot

the deadliest gun is the only one in the room...
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Are you being serious?


I think that Full Auto would be fine, things were fine before they became prohib so... I don't know why people are saying absolutely no to having them.

That being said I think that there should be a course to train people on their use. Personally I left my RPAL course without a lot of real knowledge aside from safe handling of a handgun. I think that the RPAL should be held at a range and I think that it should be a hands on shooting course vs a class room setting with dewats. Thankfully one of my friends was CF and a small arms instructor/RO and he was able to teach me enough that I became more competent/confident.

To the people saying you don't need a license to buy a ferrari, well that is true... but in your example a Ferrari is a neutered indy car which would = a Tier 1 AR, and you do need a special license to drive an indy car... just sayin.
 
it's kind of funny how the armed forces ISSUE full auto arms right out of the gate, and have for years, yet the incidents of accidents or someone going off the deep end are extremely low, if almost non-existant; and you could get into the militias at 16, and when i was in, reg force at 17- if anything, the "civilian " regs hamstring you when you're a "civilian" - most people that have calm. logical minds can handle full auto guns; those that don't . well it wouldn't make any difference whether the gun is f/a or bolt- the tragic result would be the same
 
im trying to make the point that a shotgun with buckshot will shoot multiple projectiles in a short space of time just like a FA gun, but since they all come out at the same time, they are not affected by the preceeding shots recoil...

the muzzle climb from FA tends to make it less accurate, and a semi auto shotgun can put a huge number of rounds downrange, just like it... I worded that horribly, so I get why people are all WTF on me...

just trying to make the point that a FA gun usually ends up being spray and pray, and isnt more effective then a semi in the vast majority of cases, and unless you have a belt fed you will likely run out of ammo before you hit anything at any longer range if you just hold down the trigger.... but in close quarters where a FA rifle has more use, a shotgun is basically just as good at shooting a crap ton of lead at targets.

if I could own FA rifles i wouldnt, burst yes, but FA just tends to waste ammo, and it is harder to not send bullets where you dont want them, let alone where you do...

I would own a FA shotgun or machine gun though, that makes sense to me...

either way, no gun ever loaded its self and shot anyone, FA or not,

either way, I trust everyone who is responsable enough to own guns to not turn into baby killers if they had access to FA/burst fire guns.
 
I think the first law under the Firearms Act is to remove the magazine capacity. Once that is done, full autos should be next on the list to be legalized. Frankly, shooting 5 rounds (10 in ARs) in a full auto rifle isn't as fun as full capacity magazine. And once magazine capacity along with full auto are legalized, imagine the fun when combined with a suppressor. A 100 round drum in a full auto AR rifle with a suppressor......well, you guys can imagine where that can go...:D
 
t-star said:
it's kind of funny how the armed forces ISSUE full auto arms right out of the gate, and have for years, yet the incidents of accidents or someone going off the deep end are extremely low, if almost non-existant; and you could get into the militias at 16, and when i was in, reg force at 17- if anything, the "civilian " regs hamstring you when you're a "civilian" - most people that have calm. logical minds can handle full auto guns; those that don't . well it wouldn't make any difference whether the gun is f/a or bolt- the tragic result would be the same
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I am not in the CF, are you saying they hand you a FA and tell you to go off by yourself on the firing range and you don't get any instruction or supervision with the weapon before using it? That would be surprising to me.

Also, I am not talking about people going off the deep end, I am talking about people being instructed in the proper use. If someone is careless with a bolt gun, 1 round goes off, if someone is careless with a automatic many rounds go off. I am not downplaying how serious either accident would be, but one scenario has the potential to have more casualties. Why is it that many feel that anyone, regardless of knowledge or experience should be able to go and use an automatic rifle? ... or even a regular one? How many people new to guns might not know the difference between various ammunition types? Would you want to be next to someone at a range that bought 5.56 ammunition for their .223 stamped ar? We don't rely on people to educate themselves for driving, scuba diving, parachuting and etc. We also don't take peoples word that they know something or have a thorough background in something. Who are you going to hire to run your company a guy who has a B. Commerce or someone who has read a book on economics and swears he knows what he is talking about. Think of all the people on here who get corrected (myself included) for saying dumb things, or things that are not factual/true/safe/legal and etc.

Point is I think that we should be allowed to own any type of firearm we want, but we do need to educate people how to properly use those firearms because sadly the majority of people think they know far more about guns than they actually do. For gods sake look at that JTF2 Nanook thread, there were people who troll MEC were criticizing JTF2's rappelling, others were being critical of where JTF2 had their Eotechs it was hysterical, internet commandos arm chairing a tier 1 group. Pretty much sums it up I would say.
 
when i was in, the f/a component was taught at EXACTLY the same time as your s/a firing- it was a simple command to "push the change lever to the full forward position" and hold the trigger back- that was your course of instruction in f/a- b/c you were following the EXACT SAME RULES as you were in the s/a rifle handling part of the course, the only difference was the frequency of rounds downrange
you're issued your rifle as part of your kit, but it's the AMMO they keep very strict control of- without the ammo, your rifle is a stick, drill assist, whatever- sometimes they wouldn't issue bolts as well just " be safe"
 
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Don Kael said:
I'm of the opinion that it should be legal, however, ownership of automatic firearms should require jumping through hoops. Range membership would have to be mandatory, shooting outside of the range illegal, and (no offense to any of you that have...) those with criminal backgrounds of a certain severity should be prohibited from owning them.
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You are falling for the anti propaganda that somehow a FA is more dangerous than any other firearm while in the hands if a law abiding gun owner. As though the firearm itself has some magical malevolent properties.

Either a person is safe to own firearms or they are not. The type of firearm is moot. By your argument people would have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to purchase a sports car and they would be forbidden by law to drive that car on public streets.

A car, any car, only goes as fast as the driver chooses. A firearm, any firearm is only as dangerous as the intentions of the person wielding it. No law on earth can change that fact. And any law that tries to is pointless and ridiculous socialist blatherings.
 
Suputin said:
You are falling for the anti propaganda that somehow a FA is more dangerous than any other firearm while in the hands if a law abiding gun owner. As though the firearm itself has some magical malevolent properties.

Either a person is safe to own firearms or they are not. The type of firearm is moot. By your argument people would have to jump through all kinds of hoops in order to purchase a sports car and they would be forbidden by law to drive that car on public streets.

A car, any car, only goes as fast as the driver chooses. A firearm, any firearm is only as dangerous as the intentions of the person wielding it. No law on earth can change that fact. And any law that tries to is pointless and ridiculous socialist blatherings.
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Bingo. The idea that FA is deadly, belongs in the same place as the idea that body armour is dangerous, or that safety glasses embolden people to blind strangers. Silly.
 
yeah... ok worst case scenario, some idiot goes YEEHAW and shoots into the air with a full clip... so what? he can do that with semi auto, and shooting a shotgun also puts plenty of lead in the air,

someone having and oops with a FA, and doesnt understand the super complicated proceedure to stop fireing and sprays all up in the air... ok... how did someone get a pal and not know letting go of the trigger is how you stop fireing? they could send multiple shots over the berm with a semi too if they bump fired by accident, or again, if they made an opps with a shot gun, multiple projectiles go over the berm or whatever

80+ years of people owning full auto and there have been no issues, and despite them being illegal for most of us to own, criminals still get them... so whats the point in banning them?
 
Really? There are people on here against FA? Well that just goes to show you if there are nay-sayers on CGN then there's NO WAY we will ever get these. I admit I am one who posted in the licencing thread about how I feel at least a minor amount of licencing should be in place (for the minor amounts of safety benefits and to keep criminals on the black market instead of Bass Pro), but if I can already have a semi-auto 7.62x39 VZ-58, what more damage can I do if it's allowed to shoot faster?

Ideally I would re-mortgage my house to own firearms like the C-6 and C-9!
 
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