do you take the shot?

[stubblejumper]

This is priceless...

Extremely so.

 

[stubblejumper]

I wont hold my breath for an apology for what stubby has done here, cause really I wouldn't expect much from a man like him.

I've see what he's made of and wouldn't accept his apology anyways.

Yes,I do admit there was absolutely no excuse for resorting to childish name calling.No adult should ever let himself resort to such behavior on a forum for all to see.Such behavior certainly does merit an apology.Oh wait a minute,that wasn't me,that was 7mm lefty.

 

[John Spartan]

Back to the topic:

I limit myself to high percentage broadside shots within 125 yards and have not had to do any serious tracking for wounded game. One shot most of the time unless I need to use a second for coup-de-grace if fate intervenes with a bullet going off a branch I didn't see or the prey spooks at the moment of the shot. I hunt with iron sights.

 

[7mmlefty]

It's not name calling stubblies, It's name "twisting".

You wrote the book on twisting, and in a short time have taught me how to twist.

I'm just adding some spice to make it go down better with a bit of humour...

 

[John Y Cannuck]

7mmleftie, both Gatehouse and stubblejumper are respectable, experienced hunters, that I've known for years on the net.
Their hunting methods, experiences, and territory are just different than some other areas of the country.
Gatehouse has hunted in the east, he has some idea, at least what the flat areas of Ontario are like.
stubblejumper is a definitive long range hunter. You won't change his opinion.

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I've hunted in BC before, and I've been in Alberta too, and I know that the hunting there is decidedly different than here. Calls for different techniques, different challenges. Far more likely to be long range than here.
Here, by comparison, game is at handshake distances.
When they think running shot, they are thinking in terms of the distances they normally shoot, not the ranges I shoot running deer at, which are more typically measured in feet, not yards.
My point is that we can't assume that what others are doing is wrong, or unethical, because they generally have their reasons. As long as it's legal where you are hunting, go for it.

 

[stubblejumper]

stubblejumper is a definitive long range hunter. You won't change his opinion.

While I have taken big game animals at distances approaching five hundred yards,I enjoy calling elk or rattling bucks which often presents shots at less than one hundred yards.My average rifle shot is probably between two hundred and three hundred yards over grain or alfalfa fields.I also bow hunt and have taken game at ten yards.

When they think running shot, they are thinking in terms of the distances they normally shoot, not the ranges I shoot running deer at, which are more typically measured in feet, not yards.

The distances that I was referring to were those posted by 7mmlefty himself.

Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

Two hundred to three hundred yards are certainly not the feet that you are referring to.

 

[Gatehouse]

Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

This is also priceless...

"He's 200 yards away, and running hard to 300....Good thing I've got 20 "bullets" and I can fill the air with lead! Might wing him with one of the first 10 shots and slow him down enough to get another in him!"


God bless the intraweb!!

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Granted, we've all heard stories of deer taken cleanly on the run at better than 200 yards. I'd never attempt it.
I don't practice running shots at that range either. It's dangerous and foolhardy IMO. Bound to result in wounded game, if attempted by the average hunter.
However, I can't outright say that there are not those with the skill (Or blind luck) to pull it off.
How the hell you can safely practice running shots at that range is a mystery.

 

[senior]

Quote:
Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

Perhaps I'm missing something??
I see no mention of running shots in that quote??
Perhaps he is waiting for that buck to stop & look around like they usually do once they feel safe! Course you experienced hunters would know that right!

AGAIN you guys are twisting & interjecting therorys where none are presented! You seem very quick to jump on a fellow hunter, who made you god?

 

[captonion]

How the hell you can safely practice running shots at that range is a mystery.

We do it all the time!

When your at your camp in Dumbigh take your old 44-40,and a few of your camp partners for a 20min drive to Quadeville,and try your hand at the running deer target to see for yourself.I will put together a few fellas,and you will see how safe,and consistant practiced shooters are.

You said yourself in the past that you shoot running deer out to 60yds or so,and I know where you hunt off Tower Road where there are some nice hardwoods you can easily take a deer at 100yds.You can come up to the range and show all how proficient you are at just 50yds on a moving target.

I don't practice running shots at the range either.I'ts dangerous,and foolhardy IMO.Bound to result in wounded game,if attempted by the average hunter.

I don't get this at all!
Practice at the range on a moving target is dangerous?
It's wrong to practice so one can get good enough to shoot running game?
You said yourself you shoot running deer!You did this without practice?Trial,and error?
Your an above average hunter?A black belt?How does one get that way?

 

[Jericho]

How sure do you have to be of making the shot before taking it?

The reason for posting this poll is that on another thread,one individual openly posted that twenty rounds was not enough for a week of deer hunting.He also posted that he regularly takes running shots,but yet admits that he is terrible at running shots.Yet he feels that it is perfectly ethical to take any shot that presents itself,because that is how you get practice and become a better shot.

What are your thoughts?

Regardless of what I'm shooting at/location of the shot, if I have any doubts, I do not take the shot.

 

[senior]

I know some wolf hunters in Oshawa-Petertown area that shoot running wolves at that range regularily, I must admit I would def have to do some practice before I would try a deer at that range, now a wolf

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Granted, we've all heard stories of deer taken cleanly on the run at better than 200 yards. I'd never attempt it.
I don't practice running shots at that range either.
It's dangerous and foolhardy IMO to shoot running game at that range. Bound to result in wounded game, if attempted by the average hunter who takes his rifle out once a year, and maybe sights it in.
However, I can't outright say that there are not those with the skill (Or blind luck) to pull it off.
How the hell you can safely practice running shots at that range(200 yards)is a mystery.

There, I edited my previous post to make myself more clear.
I do practice running shots at close range regularly, along with quick target acquisition, and quick second shots.
It has proven to be very valuable over the years.
Frankly there is no point in my practicing for longer running shots, because where I'm hunting, It isn't going to happen. Visibility beyond 50 yards is a rare thing.

Tower road, I've driven the length of it a few years back, nice road, longer shots possible due to some cleared areas.
I still won't be doing the running stuff at distance thanks. I can usually stop a deer with a yell, if I have a deer that is unaware of me. At longer distances, I'll use that. It works most of the time.

 

[Gatehouse]

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Quote:
Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

Perhaps I'm missing something??
I see no mention of running shots in that quote??

I think the "runs out in front" and "gaining on 300 real fast" parts indicate a running deer.

Perhaps he is waiting for that buck to stop & look around like they usually do once they feel safe! Course you experienced hunters would know that right!

Do you really believe that was his intent?

If so, why is he concerned he only has 2 "bullets?" A good rifleman shouldn't have much trouble with nailing a standing deer at 300 yards with one or two shots. And if he misses with the 2, then any more are probably hail marys that depend more on luck than skill...

AGAIN you guys are twisting & interjecting therorys where none are presented!

Sure...Sounds more like you are the one trying to "twist"

You seem very quick to jump on a fellow hunter, who made you god?

The intraweb dude, the intraweb..

 

[7mmlefty]

One important item stubbly has "forgot" to mention (as was posted earlier) is that the deer we kick out usually will run to the point men, we have posted at their traditional crossings.

The kickers(me and about 10 to twelve others) have limited shots due to the fact we are in the sloughs doing our job. We normally only get shots at very close range.

Stubblies last question(#4) on his poll states, "25%,
I hunt on private land, and am good at tracking".
Another misleading question.

We own or lease all the land, as far as the eyes can see,or are friendlies with others who hunt with us.

Theres no tracking required, and even so, dont really take crazy long range shots, that's up to the point men to take as the deer run through, very close I might add.
Usually inside 150 yds.

Why is it that when the MNR stops to talk to us, he thanks us for hunting the way we do?.

They often say they appreciate the way we hunt, or says not many hunt like you guys any more and it's good to see you boys working for them!.

All in all, we work real hard, but the bucks hanging after the days end are usually good ones.

Have a nice day.

PS. It's opening day here for ducks and geese tomorrow in southern Ontario.

I'm bringin 50 rounds. Box of 25 #3's for ducks and box of 25 rd's #BB for geese.

If stubbly has a problem with that then maybe he'll post a new poll question.

 

[stubblejumper]

Perhaps I'm missing something??
I see no mention of running shots in that quote??
Perhaps he is waiting for that buck to stop & look around like they usually do once they feel safe! Course you experienced hunters would know that right!

AGAIN you guys are twisting & interjecting therorys where none are presented! You seem very quick to jump on a fellow hunter, who made you god?

Read the entire quote below.

I really am a lousy shot at them running deer.

They are the only shots we have out west, as we walk all day, kicking up deer and they are always on the run and quite difficult to shoot off hand.

Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

Do you still think that he is waiting for that buck to stop,or is he talking about running shots?

Now who is twisting the story by suggesting that he is waiting for the deer to stop?

 

[stubblejumper]

First you post.

Now you know why 20 rounds wont see you through the week and can make you nervous when you've only got one or two bullets left and a big bruiser runs out in front of you at 200 yds and gaining on 300 real fast

Then you post

The kickers(me and about 10 to twelve others) have limited shots due to the fact we are in the sloughs doing our job. We normally only get shots at very close range.Theres no tracking required, and even so, dont really take crazy long range shots, that's up to the point men to take as the deer run through, very close I might add.
Usually inside 150 yds.

So now the distance has shrunk from between 200 and 300 yards to inside 150 yards,or very close range.You need to get your story straight.

So 20 rounds isn't enough even at very close range?Your marksmanship is getting even worse as the story goes on.

Now you post:

We own or lease all the land, as far as the eyes can see

Yet previously you posted

Good one,
nothing escapes as we own or have permission for every square mile we hunt on.

So you went from owning or having permission for the land,to owning or leasing all of it.You really need to get your story straight before posting.

 

[7mmlefty]

Story is streight.
When rising out of the sloughs and find yourself on higher ground, you will see deer running from fellas booting em out from beside you.

Take the shot? up to the individual.

 

[7mmlefty]

Stubbly,
Why do you continue to dance when there's no music playing?

BTT

 

[stubblejumper]

Why do you continue to dance when there's no music playing?

I am the one poking holes in your changing stories,you are the one trying to dance away while you try and think of a way to explain why your stories keep changing.