Do you think Remington is behind the times?

Is Remington lagging behind?

  • They're slightly behind

    Votes: 19 21.1%

  • They're WAY behind

    Votes: 38 42.2%

  • They're ahead

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • they're on par

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
mr00jimbo

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My 700, I love it, but...
the barrel isn't free floated like Tikka hunters and all savages, including their Stevens 200 line. The triggers on the Tikkas, Savages, etc. are also adjustable by the user, unlike the Remington. So out of the box my 700 gets smoked in the accuracy department by Tikkas and Savages. The stocks on the higher-end Savages for the comparable price of my 700 LSS seem to be of superior quality.

The only thing i love about my 700 that the Tikka or the Savage can't offer me is the hinged floorplate..not to mention the aftermarket support.

My 870 express also, albeit a nice gun...seems cheaply finished, even compared to Mavericks.

And with the quality control things I hear...

Do you think Remington is far behind?
 
I would imagine that Remington has the little bearing pad at the tip of the forend because they have found that on average, day in, day out, their rifles shoot better with it there. 700 triggers are adjustable; the product liability folks aren't happy about users doing it, but the triggers can be adjusted. Whether a hinged floorplate improves a rifle is a matter of personal opinion. They are useful for dumping shells on the ground, mud or snow.
There have been stories about QC problems. Something to keep in mind though, is that all these rifles are industrial products, and are not individually crafted by gunmakers working at their benches.
 
They need to dump the SPS finish and go back to bluing, much nicer. They call it "blued", but it ain't.:rolleyes:
 
trigger not user adjustable on a rem 700?

put down the meth pipe and step away from the key board....


I could teach a monkey to do a trigger job on a 700.
 
Remington is so far behind that other makers have lapped them several times.

The first Remington CTi I saw was owned by a guy at the club. Twisted rib, didn't function properly. Went back for repair twice before it worked. This is Remington's answer to the Beretta 391 and Browning Gold with a price tag to match.:rolleyes:

Recent production Remington 1100s are underwhelming. I know five guys at the club with 20 and 28 versions who've had assorted problems including me.

Then there was the unfired Remington Wingmaster made in 2003 that I bought used only to find a burr on the chamber that had to be machined out to feed properly. :mad:

Don't get me started on the stupid J-lock or the decision not to put ball detents in their 870 replacement barrels. Idiots.

Big Green is circling the drain when it comes to shotguns. I won't consider an 870 less than 15 years old or an 1100 from anything later than the early 80's.

My last Remington rifle was a SS Model 7 in .243 bought in the mid 90's. Bore was off centre, didn't feed properly, floor plate was almost impossible to open. I've bought Tikkas and Sakos ever since.
 
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Their marketing decisions are overwhelmingly questionable; their products are hit and miss. The 710 and newer tuppercrap and the 673 were retarded:slap:. The lack of marketing for great cartridges like the .260 and the 'upgrading':rolleyes: of their Ti series is a :kickInTheNuts:.
If Remington wants to hop back on board they'll start refining the classics. Make the 870 lighter, bring the Rollingblock back (that would sell like mad between $1200-1500), shrink the 700 series down to FIVE different rifle lines: Police/Tac, BDL SS, CDL, Mountain Ti, and Varmint. They need to offer more cartridges in each line and refine their QC to were every gun going out the door isn't a freaking lottery. I owned some great Remingtons and really like their actions (their trigger is good, if made right), but when your bolt binds in the rear bridge of the action because the recoil lug recess is milled .09" off, you wonder if they have the Christmas party on the floor while production is on:onCrack:. They have great designs, but they need to stop making newfangled, sells for an hour, crap and make a quality gun again:mad:. And I really want a 6.5 Rem Mag in the Ti.
 
I see a lot of firearms and the new Remingtons are seriously lacking any semblance of quality control. It is quite sad really when a 20 year old used Remington is in greater demand and worth more money than a brand new one!
There was a day when Remington was my favorite firearm because of the quality and affordability... I can almost remember when that was!
 
Remington learned how to manufacture guns during WWII using stamped parts and eleminated tedious hand machining with redesigned bolts, receivers and breech locking. The new attitude was meant to reduce cost but still allow Remington a good profit margin and be priced low enough to capture Winchester's share of the market. Winchester was still hand machining firearms that would last many lifetimes where Remington realized the advantage of a user friendly firearm that would wear out but still bring their customer back for another sale. Their idea worked well with the guns actually lasting longer than expected. Profit margins were good and they could afford to lay back and enjoy.

But time has caught up with Remington, just like it did with Winchester. We'll see what the new owners will do.

Rod
 
I think it is truly sad the way Remington quality has slipped. They once boasted one of, if not the most accurate off the shelf rifle. The new trigger is unimpressive and the over all quality, in my opinion, is lacking.
 
the best part about the savage Acu-trigger is that it is desinged to reduce misfires i am consdiering buying one and i wouldn't be supprised if more companies start offering custem stocks for they're guns the new axiom from Knoxx would be wonderfull to have in savage i looked at them because they're package guns are the same guns for the most part as there regular line and they make one action type not 6 or 7 like remington

a few months ago my local gun dealer had numourus 700s on th shelf now there have numorous savages i am seriously considered a savage for the accutriger alone oldest company doesn't mean a #### to me if they make junk
 
mr00jimbo said:
My 700, I love it, but...
the barrel isn't free floated like Tikka hunters and all savages, including their Stevens 200 line. The triggers on the Tikkas, Savages, etc. are also adjustable by the user, unlike the Remington. So out of the box my 700 gets smoked in the accuracy department by Tikkas and Savages. The stocks on the higher-end Savages for the comparable price of my 700 LSS seem to be of superior quality.

The only thing i love about my 700 that the Tikka or the Savage can't offer me is the hinged floorplate..not to mention the aftermarket support.

My 870 express also, albeit a nice gun...seems cheaply finished, even compared to Mavericks.

And with the quality control things I hear...

Do you think Remington is far behind?
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The trigger on the M-700's is easy to adjust in my experience, unless the new models have been changed. I've done 2 of 'em and it was simple.

I am not happy with the current M-700, but older ones are for sale all the time and I will buy them without any qualms, assuming the caliber and price are interesting.
 
My 2 cents: I had a 30 year old Remmy 30-06 pump which worked flawlessly... except for givin' myself a black eye on my first shot w/scope... but that's another story.
A buddy bought a brand new semi 30-06 from LeBaron about 5 or 6 years ago, couldn't empty a mag without a hangup... so he bought a BAR. BTW if anyone is looking for the semi, I think he's using it to hold up his patio umbrella!
Another fella bought a 22 Viper, after a few hundred rounds something wore out with no parts available.

BTW...... I now by old Winchester!! ;)
 
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