Do you think the Remington Recall could put Remington under?

[twistedbrilliance]

I doubt this will effect their sales.

 

[Royzo]

Its going to hurt them. But not to the point of putting them out of it. As crappy as it is, they are at least looking after the recall. They have been around a long time and I expect they will be here a lot longer.

 

[tylerjwitty]

I wouldn't care if they did . Many other good company's to fill the void

 

[elker]

It is unfair to just blame Remington, many of those who chose to buy Remington also need to be recalled.
Both deserve each other

 

[Why not?]

.... Seeing as over 5 million guns have been recalled, costing Remington a TON of money to fix and their sales will plummet.....

Where in the world did you hear this bit of nonsense? Remington has not recalled five million guns.

Ted

 

[Varmit]

I have two friends with 700s and they didn't know anything about until I told them. There must be quite a problem with these unintentional discharges or Remington would never have issued the recall. I can just imagine the heated discussions with their lawyers over this. As far as how it affects them, it depends on how this shakes out, may go away quietly but if big law suits emerge that is what could kill them.

 

[Joe549]

People ought to be just as concerned with the other manufacturers who havent announced recalls ... all of these products are produced by average guys working as quickly as their foremen can get them to work ... and making an occasional error as a result.

There is a difference between a guy making an occassional error and sending out one or two defective products as opposed to a design flaw resulting hundreds of thousands of defective and potentially dangerous products going out. It would seem that defective triggers is something Remington has a lot of experience with.

 

[Calum]

^^^^ I agree.

It sounds like an engineering issue not an assembler issue.

 

[Longwalker]

Remington is in the business of building rifles in the cheapest way possible, to make the most gross profit possible. It's all about volume and margin. Quality will always be sacrificed under those management paradigms, it's the "American Way" and so Remington will never improve. I hope they go broke. Sadly, most North American consumers buy into this model of cheapest mass-market junk. So they will probably survive and will build lots more junk. And that's why I'm a "snob" and only buy high quality European firearms any more.

 

[Ben from SK]

If an employee at WSS told me it was raining, I would probably take off my jacket before I left the store. I wouldn't give the source of the rumor much credit.

yea, same here. lol. WSS gun counter experience is... lacking in many areas to say it as nice as possible. it doesn't seem to be location specific either.

edit: that said, I've believed Remington to be crap for the last 15 years and would not buy any of their current offerings with so many other better options out there at all price points.

 

[nomad 68]

Thompson Center had two major recalls of their bolt action rifles in a relatively short period. They seem to have come through relatively unscathed. I'm sure this will hold true for remington. With the possible exception of browning, they are biggest marketing machine in the hunting and shooting industry imo.

 

[BigUglyMan]

I talk to a employee at WSS today and he said that this could be the nail in the coffin for Remington and he doesn't think they will be able to pull out of this hole that they dug themselves.

You asked a counter-jockey at WSS for an intelligent opinion on a multinational corporation? The laughter makes it hard for me to breathe!

 

[BigUglyMan]

Where in the world did you hear this bit of nonsense? Remington has not recalled five million guns.

Ted

Probably from the same guy that told him the company would fold over the whole deal.

 

[duncansuds]

You asked a counter-jockey at WSS for an intelligent opinion on a multinational corporation? The laughter makes it hard for me to breathe!

No doubt. I have only talked to one actual employee ever who had any knowledge at all from wss or cabelas. Typically, they applied, have hunted at least once and are put on the gun counter to be called gun experts. My experience has lead me to believe they are in fact barely above minimum wage and don't care enough to improve or learn about what they are selling. I have asked to look at the .223 Remington 700 short SPS tactical while standing in front of it and had to walk him with my finger past the savages, tikka, and the 858 until he got to the right one. But he will be the one to give you advice on what you should and should not purchase..... Right. (Keep in mind, this is not an isolated instance at one store)

To answer the OP question. No. It's not going anywhere, stings but won't cripple. Still one of the most popular bolt rifles in the world. It remain that way I believe.

 

[duncansuds]

I know there is a lot of die hard Remington guys out there, but with this recall, do you think Remington is going down? I talk to a employee at WSS today and he said that this could be the nail in the coffin for Remington and he doesn't think they will be able to pull out of this hole that they dug themselves. Seeing as over 5 million guns have been recalled, costing Remington a TON of money to fix and their sales will plummet. Yes I know you can just fix the trigger yourself by putting an aftermarket one in, so thats why I'm asking if you think Remington is on its way down.

Myself, I think they'll be fine. Sure its going to hurt some sales but I think they'll be just fine.

I hope you weren't talking to the idiot with the ponytail at Regina's WSS gun counter..... What a mitt. ( the guy at WSS, not you)

 

[CV32]

Watching with interest......... It will likely weaken them to a point where they are taken over by some one else, keeping the name but refinanced so-to-speak. IMHO they are one of the most over rated rifles out there now and I don't get the attraction any more. But, there was a time.....

Remington is one of several firearms industry companies owned by a holding company called the Freedom Group, which in turn is owned by Cerberus Capital Management.

 

[t-star]

there's a REASON there's a SHOVEL just inside the door at every wss- it ain't for snow

 

[hifiwasabi]

Remington is in the business of building rifles in the cheapest way possible, to make the most gross profit possible. It's all about volume and margin. Quality will always be sacrificed under those management paradigms, it's the "American Way" and so Remington will never improve. I hope they go broke. Sadly, most North American consumers buy into this model of cheapest mass-market junk. So they will probably survive and will build lots more junk. And that's why I'm a "snob" and only buy high quality European firearms any more.

If I had deeper pockets and could live with just a single rifle, I would buy a Blaser or Sako and be done with it, but since I get a real kick out of horse trading firearms, that'll never happen. I have two Remingtons that have followed me home, my left hand 870 and my 7600 in .243. Both were bought on sale, and although lacking the finesse and character of a craftsman built gun, have functioned flawlessly. If I were to buy a bolt gun, I wouldn't waste my pennies on a plastic fantastic.

Sean

 

[Salty]

Recall for some rifles made in the last 8 years to do simple trigger work bankrupting Remington? Um, no.

I'll go the other way. Remington is in a low spot in its history right now very similar I'd say to where Winchester was in the late 60's, 70's and 80s with their bolt action rifles. They'd changed hands, left their roots of quality gun making in favour of mass marketing and the lowest unit cost caring not about what materials they used. The post 64 Winchester model 70 was not a bad rifle. But it was leaps and bounds less of a rifle than its predecessor. Real enthusiasts; rifle loonies, shook their heads and went looking elsewhere for a new bolt rifle. Joe six pack and his buddies still bought model 70s and went hunting feeling just fine about their decision. But decades of mediocre sales and bad mouthing finally sunk in and Winchester pulled up its boot straps and returned to feeling the love as it were... and putting quality and pride back in to their rifles which many say myself included today has them producing a better model 70 than 1964 and prior.

The same will happen to Remington, this is my prediction you heard it here first. They've already recognised the cluster they've made with trying to mass produce Marlins without top notch trades people who really cared about the product. They're slowing down, bringing in quality control and putting real effort in to making a rifle like New Haven did a short time ago. I think this philosophy will spread and Big Green will shine again. I think its going to take 5 years to get it right. And 10 years to earn back the support of rifle loonies and enthusiasts world wide. The brand was too good and is too old to be completely ruined if continued to run as is. Even the bean counters can see this.. follow the money.

 

[hunter-4-life]

You asked a counter-jockey at WSS for an intelligent opinion on a multinational corporation? The laughter makes it hard for me to breathe!

I never even asked, he just said that he doubts remington will come out of it. And he told me the 5 million, however the guy at Cabelas saskatoon figured 800,000 to 1 million rifles. Which seems more like it.