Does a 9mm pistol round have enough to drop a deer
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In this video : htTHINKOF THE CHILDRENp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA
The doc has an x-ray (at 17:00) of a guy shot twice in the chest with .40 HP, one bullet stuck in sternum and didn't get as far as the aorta. So pistol ammo isn't entirely one shot one kill.
The doc has an x-ray (at 17:00) of a guy shot twice in the chest with .40 HP, one bullet stuck in sternum and didn't get as far as the aorta. So pistol ammo isn't entirely one shot one kill.
antiqueguy
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its not made to be but the hart is much closer then the aorta(this shot through is perfict placement with a good round in a defensive situation as this leaves the person attacking unconscious within 15 seconds and bleed out in 30)
hitting the hart/lungs with any round will drop a deer
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bearkilr
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Wow.
At the very least read up on anatomy under Google or Wikipedia before posting, the above is total f'n nonsense, not to mention it's spelled "heart" and "perfect".
The Central Nervous System and heart are armoured by bone, so the 12" of gelatin stuff isn't really relevant to killing things quickly. Hollowpoint 9mm pistol ammo often fails if it has to go through bone, so you can't rely on it to kill a large animal.
A lung hit isn't a guaranteed drop, no.
A lung hit isn't a guaranteed drop, no.
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There's been enough people( LEO) posting their real world experiences here who have dispatched "real" animals, with real 9mm pistols at very close distances,to confirm my educated guess on what a 9mmP is intended for and what it's not designed to do. 9mmP is a purely defensive(usually 7 meters or less) caliber against people. It's 70% reliable with multiple hits in this role. Big game are far tougher, and while they are taking the 30-45 seconds to succumb to hemorrhaging with the very best lung hit you could ever make with a 9, they'll be well hidden and 50%+ guaranteed lost, deep in a thicket.
A persons skin is equal to 4 inches of muscle for penetration depletion with a 9mm alone. Imagine the thick hide with it's heavy guard hairs on a Big Buck knocking the f**k out of a 9mm before it even gets to the ribs, let alone destroying the lungs. Really, ......the .22LR, 9mm enthusiasts need to stay away from Big Game hunting, though contrary though it may be,.. to one of Grand Pa's fireside chat's.
Leave the Parabellum in the safe
and start with something at .243Win/250Savage/.44Mag as a minimum
, and move up from there if need be.
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There's been enough people( LEO) posting their real world experiences here who have dispatched "real" animals, with real 9mm pistols at very close distances,to confirm my educated guess on what a 9mmP is intended for and what it's not designed to do. 9mmP is a purely defensive(usually 7 meters or less) caliber against people. It's 70% reliable with multiple hits in this role. Big game are far tougher, and while they are taking the 30-45 seconds to succumb to hemorrhaging with the very best lung hit you could ever make with a 9, they'll be well hidden and 50%+ guaranteed lost, deep in a thicket.
A persons skin is equal to 4 inches of muscle for penetration depletion with a 9mm alone. Imagine the thick hide with it's heavy guard hairs on a Big Buck knocking the f**k out of a 9mm before it even gets to the ribs, let alone destroying the lungs. Really, ......the .22LR, 9mm enthusiasts need to stay away from Big Game hunting, though contrary though it may be,.. to one of Grand Pa's fireside chat's.
Leave the Parabellum in the safe
and start with something at .243Win/250Savage/.44Mag as a minimum, and move up from there if need be.......we now return you to your regular broadcast, already in progress.
Leave the Parabellum in the safe
^^ this!! And even though I also consider the 243 or 250 savage to be an ethical minimum for deer, there is also the camp that thinks they are more of an experts deer gun then a beginners. Low recoil and muzzle blast are great for getting used to shooting and range use, and as great of chamberings as they are, I myself would put a youngster or "lighter frame" in something like a 7mm08 when actually hunting. They will never nootice the difference in recoil when actually shooting at game anyways!
antiqueguy
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well sorry i forgot post count is everything on a forum a few misspelled words
i know the anatomy of a deer(and every other game i have hunted) you knock out the heart or lungs it will drop it
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antiqueguy
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it does a way better job the new stuff is almost like a .41 mag out to about 30 yards
[SUB][/SUB]Minimum pistol cartrdge in a carbine that I would use on deer are 357 mag/10mm I have a 18" T/C Contender carbine barrel in 10mm and I have never used it for deer hunting I am planning on taking it for coyotes/bobcat this winter though.
The last few days while coastal blacktail hunting I've been carrying a my T/C Contender carbine with a 14" Match Grade Machine 45 Colt barrel that I had custom made for me installed overall length is appr 29 1/2" weight is appr 4 1/2 lbs.
I have it loaded with 300gr Hornady XTP's/Speer Jacketed FP and 345gr Beartooth WLNGC's I can't remember their muzzle velocities right now but at 20 yards a 345gr will go thru an 11" popular tree.
I have it zeroed 1 1/2" high @ 50 yards = 2 1/2" low @ 100 yards I use a Leupold 1X Prismatic illuminated circle dot reticle scope on this combo.
Here is a pic of it when I had a Leupold 2-7X compact scope mounted.
The last few days while coastal blacktail hunting I've been carrying a my T/C Contender carbine with a 14" Match Grade Machine 45 Colt barrel that I had custom made for me installed overall length is appr 29 1/2" weight is appr 4 1/2 lbs.
I have it loaded with 300gr Hornady XTP's/Speer Jacketed FP and 345gr Beartooth WLNGC's I can't remember their muzzle velocities right now but at 20 yards a 345gr will go thru an 11" popular tree.
I have it zeroed 1 1/2" high @ 50 yards = 2 1/2" low @ 100 yards I use a Leupold 1X Prismatic illuminated circle dot reticle scope on this combo.
Here is a pic of it when I had a Leupold 2-7X compact scope mounted.
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Now that is my idea of one handy little rifle!
:Am I reading some of these threads all wrong? Over half, including the original question seems more to be a flight of pure fantasy or more of a question of theory than anything resembling reality.
A 20 yard shot....hmmm....
....on a live dear, stalking and hunting during hunting season. Good luck on that one! I understand the question, could it be done? In theory...maybe. In the real world outside of the keyboard and away from all the charts and tables - not a chance in hell.
The Alberta Regulations, for instance state that you cannot use ammunition of less than 23 caliber. Further it goes on to state that you cannot hunt with a muzzle loader less than a .44 caliber. I wonder why that is? using some ballistics charts, it appears that a 40 cal muzzle loader has way more velocity and power than the measly 9mm, but it is illegal.
Just saying, that some of these posts are getting borderline ridiculous and silly. To all you newbies, don't read this...we do not want to influence any more minds with nonsense like this.
A 20 yard shot....hmmm....
....on a live dear, stalking and hunting during hunting season. Good luck on that one! I understand the question, could it be done? In theory...maybe. In the real world outside of the keyboard and away from all the charts and tables - not a chance in hell.The Alberta Regulations, for instance state that you cannot use ammunition of less than 23 caliber. Further it goes on to state that you cannot hunt with a muzzle loader less than a .44 caliber. I wonder why that is? using some ballistics charts, it appears that a 40 cal muzzle loader has way more velocity and power than the measly 9mm, but it is illegal.
Just saying, that some of these posts are getting borderline ridiculous and silly. To all you newbies, don't read this...we do not want to influence any more minds with nonsense like this.
I'm sitting here holding a Beartooth 345gr WLNGC the nose is slightly deformed and there are rifling marks on the sides of the bullet.
I shot it @ 20 yards thru an 11 1/2" birch tree found it sticking out the other side one light smack from my knife and it fell out.
Drop this 9mm idea and get a real rifle/cartridge combo...
I shot it @ 20 yards thru an 11 1/2" birch tree found it sticking out the other side one light smack from my knife and it fell out.
Drop this 9mm idea and get a real rifle/cartridge combo...
I saw a stat that 6 out of 7 people shot with a handgun SURVIVE! Can't remember where I saw it, but it sure was surprising!
So, that being said, I would NOT recommend a rifle in 9mm for deer hunting! If you need a light kicking rifle, get something in 223 (if legal in your area for big game) or better yet, 7.62x39 or even 243...
Cheers
Jay
Brutus
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:A 20 yard shot....hmmm....
While I agree that 9mm is not a good choice for deer sized game, I have to argue this part...I shot all 3 of my deer this year at 18 yards or less. In fact, I'd say that fully 65% of my deer have been shot at 25yrds or less. I have full confidence that at the distance I shot my deer at this year (18, 17 and 15 yards) a 9mm would have done the job just fine.
However, I couldn't guarantee that I'd get that close of shots, or have them stand perfect broadside, therefore, I carried a firearm much more approriate for the quarry I was after....
Just being the devil's advocate....
