Does a 9mm pistol round have enough to drop a deer
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antiqueguy
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MR doc holliday was carrying a 10ga
"hitting the hart/lungs with any round will drop a deer" No. Hitting the heart/lungs with any round will probably kill a deer. Very good chance it won't drop it. Whether or not the deer is recovered will depend on how far it travels, how good the followup tracking is, and how thick the cedar swamp is that the deer took refuge in.
"this shot through is perfict placement with a good round in a defensive situation.....unconscious within 15 seconds and bleedout in 30". I doubt that you are speaking from personal experience. Better do some more internet research.
"the hart is much closer then the aorta". Closer then what? The hart and the aorta are connected.
Here is a true story. Chap walked into a nursing station on Baffin Island, sat down, and announced "I'm shot". Nurse was surprised, no distress, no blood. Turned out that he had been shot a day or so previously, had travelled back into the village, cleaned himself up, changed his clothes, and went to the nursing station. He had been shot with a .22 Magnum. Wound was in the thorax, through and through, penetrating one lung. The lung had not collapsed, there was no significant bleeding. There was no need for any dramatic medical intervention. Basically the wounds needed bandaids.
Here is another true story, from this past season. Deer shot through the chest with a .308. One lung utterly destroyed. Deer travelled 100m, leaving a pronounced blood trail, before it collapsed.
This thread has pretty much run its course. Anyone else want to add to it before it gets shut down?
antiqueguy
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the qoute you made with the 15 seconds/30 seconds is not whole hitting center of mass and hitting the aorta thats what the normal bleed out time is for the human body. a deer is just like us hitting vital structures will tend to make them bleed out the heart is a easy target in the deer its closer to the skin and its easier to get a pass through witch means easier blood trails.
i know every target i may come across study the anatomy of every animal i can and i dont take iffy shots
I have been still hunting coastal blacktail deer the last two seasons I have repeatedly snuck up to within 8 - 15 yards of does and 8 yards from two bucks.
If you can't get close your just telling us you are not that good of a hunter...
If you can't get close your just telling us you are not that good of a hunter...
8 to 15 yards? 24 feet to 60 feet? In a tree stand...I can see. Sneaking up...well, lets just say that I have been hunting for 30 years now. With all those leaves under foot, even when nice and moist with morning frost or dew, sneaking to 24 feet...well...I think it reaching into a tall tale fish story. But that's my belief. With their acute hearing and sense of smell they can hear my creaking bones, or when I was younger smell my bubble gum breath, a 100 yards away.
blasted_saber
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Ive never understood these guyswho try and find the smallest gun they can find for women.
Teach them to shoot properly and expand their options beyond pea shooters.
Before you get upset, my wife is 5'5 115lbs. Im very familiar with this situation.
The game plan for my daughter is .22lr, .223, 44mag/243, then 308 or 3006. Get her a gun with more then enough energy to take on large game.
Teach them to shoot properly and expand their options beyond pea shooters.
Before you get upset, my wife is 5'5 115lbs. Im very familiar with this situation.
The game plan for my daughter is .22lr, .223, 44mag/243, then 308 or 3006. Get her a gun with more then enough energy to take on large game.
blasted_saber
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Twice last fall I got close enough to a doe I could have reached out and touched them with the barrel of my gun. Almost every year someone at mydeer camp shoots a deer at sub 10m. Almost of our deer are shot within 50m as thats usually as far as we can see in our bush.
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I'd take a teeny deer at fifty or so feet with my NR CX-4 9mm. Problem lies in if deer sees me at 100 yards, no prob with my 30-06... I'd have doubts about ballistic energy with the CX-4, however...
I have shot many many deer sub 25 yards, while hunting from foot, two actually were within 5 yards. I have also shot Moose at ranges where I had to step aside to prevent being stepped on, and shot one of them with less than 2 feet from muzzle to hide!
For someone to say that no one can get closer than 100 yards is ridiculous! Either they don't hunt much, or have very limited experience, or don't actually "hunt", just shoot things they come across....
For someone to say that no one can get closer than 100 yards is ridiculous! Either they don't hunt much, or have very limited experience, or don't actually "hunt", just shoot things they come across....
You must forgive CC for spewing just a little, stealthy he is.... modest he is not...
sob do a Google search on "still hunting deer" and you will understand.
It is very possible to get close you just need to slow down to keep any noise to a minimum = when I still hunt when it is raining/windy I only travel appr 400 yards in 2 hours when it is dry I may only travel 150 yards in 2 hours.
Take a step or two stop glass/look around wait then look around again then take a step or two when you think you are going slow enough slow down even more.
I can speed things up like this morning I was out for 4 hours it wasn't raining or windy but I was traveling beside some creeks the cover sound from the creeks made it possible to go faster I also use grunt and fawn bleat calls when still hunting = game animals just assume it is another animal coming.
Last 5 blacktail bucks I was in on since Sept 2011 where shot at 34 yards/80 - 90 yards/40 - 50 yards/max 50 yards/46 yards I have an IPhone video of the two bucks I mentioned earlier that I got to 8 yards on they are appr 20 yards from me by the time remembered I could video them with my IPhone I watched them for about 10 minutes.
I am new to IPhones and haven't taken the time to figure out how to download it to my computer yet I could send it to someone if they want to post it.
Thanks Kev I'll take that as a complement...
It is very possible to get close you just need to slow down to keep any noise to a minimum = when I still hunt when it is raining/windy I only travel appr 400 yards in 2 hours when it is dry I may only travel 150 yards in 2 hours.
Take a step or two stop glass/look around wait then look around again then take a step or two when you think you are going slow enough slow down even more.
I can speed things up like this morning I was out for 4 hours it wasn't raining or windy but I was traveling beside some creeks the cover sound from the creeks made it possible to go faster I also use grunt and fawn bleat calls when still hunting = game animals just assume it is another animal coming.
Last 5 blacktail bucks I was in on since Sept 2011 where shot at 34 yards/80 - 90 yards/40 - 50 yards/max 50 yards/46 yards I have an IPhone video of the two bucks I mentioned earlier that I got to 8 yards on they are appr 20 yards from me by the time remembered I could video them with my IPhone I watched them for about 10 minutes.
I am new to IPhones and haven't taken the time to figure out how to download it to my computer yet I could send it to someone if they want to post it.
Thanks Kev I'll take that as a complement...
As I stated before, I stand to be corrected. In all my years of hunting, stealth, I have not been able to approach a white tail or mulie with flickering ears to anywhere near that distance. Had an angry doe come to within about 50 yards of me, but then again, I must've had a scent, because she could smell me, not see me. I was calling lout like a distressed fawn.
Oh well, congratulations to those who can get to within 5 m, because I never have had that thrill when stalking. Like I said, a tree stand is different business altogether.
Oh well, congratulations to those who can get to within 5 m, because I never have had that thrill when stalking. Like I said, a tree stand is different business altogether.
As to scent I try to be as scent free as possible I use unscented/UV reducing laundary soaps and scent reducing sprays on my clothes.
I wash with unscented bar soap I even carry a small spray bottle in my pack while I hunt so I can give a little spray now and then especially if I am starting to sweat.
If you are starting to sweat in anyway other that it is just hot out you are moving too fast.
Right now I am using a product called Scent Killer but I am not brand specific I find they all work.
I wash with unscented bar soap I even carry a small spray bottle in my pack while I hunt so I can give a little spray now and then especially if I am starting to sweat.
If you are starting to sweat in anyway other that it is just hot out you are moving too fast.
Right now I am using a product called Scent Killer but I am not brand specific I find they all work.
Brutus
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I have gotten within 3 feet from a WT doe in Saskatchewan, & I literally walked right up behind her (the wind obviously in my favor) while she was totally distracted from the fusillade of gunfire she minutes before escpaed from, just to the south of us. This was the opening morning of WT season.
Unusual yes, impossible no.
Repeatable? Not very much chance in this lifetime IMHO.
I find paying attention to the wind, and having it in my favour even more effective than reducing the scent I give off. Although both would be ideal. I do most of my hunting afoot once the snow falls, although there is nothing like hunting once leaves turn color. As for Moose, I just go after them during the rut, this year we called one from over 1/2 mile back in the bush, and kept backing out and calling until he was 40 yards from a road where we could drive to him once downed.
It really isn't that hard to get close to most big game if you are patient, pay attention to the wind, and use the terrain to your advantage.
It really isn't that hard to get close to most big game if you are patient, pay attention to the wind, and use the terrain to your advantage.
RememberTheSomme
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Campcook has the "Still-Hunt" down to a science. I practiced it for many years in a similar fashion in our eastern mixed forests. Loved to do this on a fringe between a Hardwood hill and a Fir/Spruce bottom.. It requires extreme concentration, which I've lost totally, will pull the eyeballs out of your head with those constant 180 degree Bino sweeps every step, and usually if you are given away at all, it will be by silhouetting while moving, almost impossible to travel straight line to avoid it.
It is however the most satisfying way to hunt by a mile. When you get right upon alert bedded deer, see them laying there like a dog with their snout on their front legs and alert, and you see them rise in one motion, this is where you realize where those invisible deer came from you just started and didn't see. They were laying down and now are running with no struggle to get up!!!! You move like a ghost. When you have a Doe and her two fawns past in a mixed fringe not 15 yards from you, The real ghosts of the forest, and never knew you were there, ask how gratifying that is.
Everyone should try to practice this if you have the patience. Don't use a 9mm Pistol however, my rifle of choice was the BLR 308 with 165's or a Winchester M100 carbine.
I first learned to hunt this way with my father and an uncle, I used to carry a CIL bolt action 30-30. I then "upgraded" to a ruger m77 in 308, then went to a win 94. Nothing else seemed to be a quick and handy and the open sighted 94 when you are within 25 yards, and sometimes needed to be quick!
I also hunt "hopscotch style" with a hunting partner, where we start at opposite ends of a piece of bush, and sneek hunt towards each other in 30 minute intervals.... most effective way I have ever hunted WT's. For example I get the first half of the hour to move, my prtner the last half, we can only move on our half of an hour, but can choose to stay put until the next 30 minute window that is on your time to move. This way, if you happen to spook one, very good chance your partner who is now standing, will have a chance at a deer that is now at a walk away from you.
I also hunt "hopscotch style" with a hunting partner, where we start at opposite ends of a piece of bush, and sneek hunt towards each other in 30 minute intervals.... most effective way I have ever hunted WT's. For example I get the first half of the hour to move, my prtner the last half, we can only move on our half of an hour, but can choose to stay put until the next 30 minute window that is on your time to move. This way, if you happen to spook one, very good chance your partner who is now standing, will have a chance at a deer that is now at a walk away from you.
