Dogleg, looking forward to seeing the bears!
You will, once I get to my own computers and figure out how to black out my partner's "witness protection program" mugshot. Mmmmmm......who could that be at the door?
Does accuracy matter?
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You will, once I get to my own computers and figure out how to black out my partner's "witness protection program" mugshot. Mmmmmm......who could that be at the door?
It's also human nature to lose sight of the forest for the trees.
If anything the .223 is more accurate by any measure on a dead calm day. Tighter grouping, easier to shoot, less heat build and it's Jewel trigger is better than the rifle basix on the .300. It'll hang right in there to 800 at least, and is so laughingly easy to shoot that you can't help laughing a little with every trigger pull.
Let the wind start blowing, and the .300 will wipe the floor it, stomp it real bad, then wipe the floor with it again. Which is then the most accurate rifle, the tighter grouping or the easier to actually hit with by dint of different cartridge?
Not sure this is over and above my realm of expertise..maybe Gatehouse will chime in....
Well, in this case I'd say that on a calm day the .223 is more accurate and on a windy day, the .300 would be more accurate.
Hope that helps.
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I've learned that accuracy must be good enough to hit what you're aiming at. Applying 400 yard gopher standards to 200 yard deer rifles is pointless. Actually, applying 400 yard gopher standards to 500 yard big game rifles doesn't make a lot of sense either.
Penetration is another one. Is a bullet/cartridge combo that can shoot through 8 feet of elephant a better deer killer? I can assure you, it is not. Sometimes good enough, is good enough. Sometimes more than enough starts working against you. Excess penetration is like horsepower without traction. Inadequate penetration may be compared to traction without horsepower, but could be a absense of both.
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Well, in this case I'd say that on a calm day the .223 is more accurate and on a windy day, the .300 would be more accurate.
Hope that helps.
How can that be, when the 80 grain .223 rivals the 155 grain .308 and beats most of the sporting bullets?
That would mean that there is a difference in hitability between cartridges in the .30 caliber slot, never mind between calibers. Thinking like that could only lead to chaos and anarchy.
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I wonder how anyone ever killed anything with iron sights? Leaveing out target sights for now, factory open sights aren't exactly conductive to benchrest accuracy. Yet, somehow saddleguns and factory loads keep filling tags I'm told.
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Lots of deer are killed each year with slug loaded shotguns, and some of those aren't even minute of hubcap.
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Is that some kind of joke? If you are asking that question I wonder if you should be packing any firearm, thats all I have to say period and anything else is moot!!!
Two things cause inaccuracy in shooting: The nut that holds the gun and the jerk that pulls the trigger! eagleye would describe that in terms of 6 moa. If the nut can work on a consistent hold and the jerk smoothing out his trigger control how long would he be satisifed with a 6 moa rifle? Accuracy is worth accomplishing to make quick clean kills.
of course accuracy matters. there is a big difference between .5 and 6 MOA. but for hunting big game, the difference between .5 and 1.5 doesn't amount to much.
for hunting i am happy with 3" groups from open sighted rifles and 1.5" from scoped rifles with hunting bullets from field type rests. i'm sure there are many who will laugh at this.
people are often the victims of their own experience. this is why you have some people talking about 400 yard shots and others talking about sub 100 yards shots. take me for example, i will say that based on my prefered hunting method, that a 12 guage with sights and slugs is just as good as a mosin nagant is just as good as a scoped brno 21 for mule deer. others will say that the brno is at the bottom end of adequate because it doesn't have the range and that the other 2 are useless. and yes, there is room for both schools of thought to be right.
for hunting i am happy with 3" groups from open sighted rifles and 1.5" from scoped rifles with hunting bullets from field type rests. i'm sure there are many who will laugh at this.
people are often the victims of their own experience. this is why you have some people talking about 400 yard shots and others talking about sub 100 yards shots. take me for example, i will say that based on my prefered hunting method, that a 12 guage with sights and slugs is just as good as a mosin nagant is just as good as a scoped brno 21 for mule deer. others will say that the brno is at the bottom end of adequate because it doesn't have the range and that the other 2 are useless. and yes, there is room for both schools of thought to be right.
How can that be, when the 80 grain .223 rivals the 155 grain .308 and beats most of the sporting bullets?
Clearly, you should use the .223 with 80gr Bergers for moose and grizzly bear.
