There also a lot of guys that can't shoot moa or are happy with minute of deer accuracy. They could sell a tack driver and never know it.
Does anyone still get a good Remington that is accurate "Out of the Box?"
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There also a lot of guys that can't shoot moa or are happy with minute of deer accuracy. They could sell a tack driver and never know it.
True, that is what we all hope to find. Then there are the guys that will pick up the used rifles, tweak and massage the little glitches. Polish actions, do trigger job, and glass bed the rifle in the time that it takes to make a sandwich and think nothing of it. For many experienced guys that's all just a quick labour of love and they don't even count it; but for others that's the reason it was for sale in the first place.
Then there's guys like me get either a new or used rifle tweak a few things here and there get everything just tickedy boo, great accuracy and then my ADD kicks in I get bored and sell it with an eye on something else. The real curse of death is if I get it working great and then kill something with it its like there's nothing left to do so off to the auction block it goes.. kinda weird I know but it seems to be a pattern.
Brutus
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Have you tried Black Hills 175 gr SMKs in a Remington HB Varmint?
The results may surprize you. I think many people do not know that the Remington 700 in 308 Win has a long throat, best teamed up with heavy/long bullets.
I'm the opposite I've never bought a used one.
Sold a few well used ones though...
My last one was a couple weeks ago a NIB Rem 700 XCR 11 in 25-06 bought it cause it was $250 off and cause someone sold me 25-06 dies...
All of my center fire rifles are 700's.
There are too many people complaining about the accuracy of their rifles when it is the archer and not the arrow.
While it is nice to have a rifle that will shoot a MOA, is it necessary when a minute of moose or a minute of deer is adequate.
Additionally, is it reasonable to expect all rifles to shoot a MOA or is it simply a pipe dream?
While trying to think of other rifles I have owned that shot a MOA out of the box . . . there are none.
Most other rifles will require a bit of tweaking but there is nothing wrong with working out issues regardless of make, model or cartridge.
There are too many people complaining about the accuracy of their rifles when it is the archer and not the arrow.
While it is nice to have a rifle that will shoot a MOA, is it necessary when a minute of moose or a minute of deer is adequate.
Additionally, is it reasonable to expect all rifles to shoot a MOA or is it simply a pipe dream?
While trying to think of other rifles I have owned that shot a MOA out of the box . . . there are none.
Most other rifles will require a bit of tweaking but there is nothing wrong with working out issues regardless of make, model or cartridge.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
700 Varmint
With mine in 308 and it's heavy barrel, seems I usually get about a 4inch group at 300 meters from a bench under good weather conditions.
Looking to improve on this too. Not sure if the next step is playing with the varget powder load or switching outright to SMKs. Or both.
With mine in 308 and it's heavy barrel, seems I usually get about a 4inch group at 300 meters from a bench under good weather conditions.
Looking to improve on this too. Not sure if the next step is playing with the varget powder load or switching outright to SMKs. Or both.
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I have never been much of a paper guy with my bush guns. I prefer 1 pound propane cylinders at 50 yards with open sight rifles. Maybe it is just pure luck, but out of the box, my 750 Woodsmaster carbine, in 30.06 nailed it on the first shot.
I recently purchased, from a fellow CGN member, a 750 Woodsmaster carbine, in 35 Whelen, and same thing. First shot...KABLAMMO! It was a scoped gun prior to my purchase so I asume that it was never used as an open sight firearm.
I have an 870 Tactical that I put an 18.5" rifled barrel on and with a 3" magnum sabot, at 50 yards, the the results were the same . Albeit my shoulder never will be.
I have hit them at 75 and 100 yards as well. Having said that, I can assure you, with my 52 year old eyes, that was pure luck.
My point being, I have nothing bad to say about my Remington products...out of the box.
I recently purchased, from a fellow CGN member, a 750 Woodsmaster carbine, in 35 Whelen, and same thing. First shot...KABLAMMO! It was a scoped gun prior to my purchase so I asume that it was never used as an open sight firearm.
I have an 870 Tactical that I put an 18.5" rifled barrel on and with a 3" magnum sabot, at 50 yards, the the results were the same . Albeit my shoulder never will be.
I have hit them at 75 and 100 yards as well. Having said that, I can assure you, with my 52 year old eyes, that was pure luck.
My point being, I have nothing bad to say about my Remington products...out of the box.
How many used rifles have you bought and got sub-par performance from Dogleg?. I personally have bought and sold scores of used rifles both here on our EE and at various gunshows,you get to know the fellas who buy and sell in volume.
Buy one,tweak it a little,shoot it a little, put it up for sale to fund the next latest greatest is the predominant mindset among most traders in my experience.
We've got many traders here on CGN with over 300 transactions ( Doug comes to mind ) I wonder what the percentage of rifles sold by a gentleman like him are sub-par?, you wouldn't have a long career on the EE selling turds, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen on occasion but not by traders who are in it for the long haul.
Heading back to the Remington 700 discussion, I would highly recommend one. I have owned and shot over twenty in various chamberings in all different trim levels with manufacture dates from the early 80's to 2014.
I have never had one that wouldn't group an inch or less with handloads, in fact,name me a current production bolt action rifle by any manufacturer that doesn't?
The 700 is not my favourite rifle but they are proven shooters, to claim otherwise puts you in the very small minority group of folks who got a factory turd, or you're just a hater.
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I have a 770 the el cheapo Remington that comes with a 20 dollar scope mounted and let me tell you the cheap gun LOVES the cheapest Winchester 165grain ammo I can find. I'm no pro long range sniper and it shoots a 2 1/2 -3 inch group at 200 yards. it's the spare gun that comes along on hunting trips as a just in case rifle.
Well, I took a quick run out to the range this morning. It was hard to wipe the smile off my face. The gun is stupid accurate. I have had over a dozen Cooper s, Sakos, and Kimbers in the last few years. This one is every bit as accurate. I'm not gonna sit and say that it is the equal, because the stock and trigger leave much to be desired. However, from an accuracy perspective it is equal, and from a value perspective, for an all weather hunting rifle, this XCR II really exceptional.
The XCR line is great value for the money. I've owned a couple of XCR Tacticals and have been happy with them they come with an HS precision stock and a 40X trigger from the factory.
The trinyte coating is ridiculously durable and adds some lubricity to the action as well.
The trinyte coating is ridiculously durable and adds some lubricity to the action as well.
As much as I like Remington's.... I have gone towards Kimber for my first all-weather gun and looking at Tikka or Montana rifle co for my second. I can't stand the stock on the XCRII. If they would have revised the stock this year I probably wouldn't even buy the Kimber. It seems many manufacturers such as Tikka are making better and better synthetic stocks. Why the ugly awful Hogue instead of a nice Bell and Carlson?
