Does tenda have to supply the feds with gun owner information?

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Yes and yes.

Anything bought since the whole reference number for NR purchases thing started (I'm drawing a blank, was that 2023?), since then they have had to keep records of all gun sales, and those records do not require a warrant to access.

Failing to produce those records would at minimum jeopardize their business license. And upon closing they would legally have to give over said records anyways.
 
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Suther said:
Yes and yes.

Anything bought since the whole reference number for NR purchases thing started (I'm drawing a blank, was that 2023?), since then they have had to keep records of all gun sales, and those records do not require a warrant to access.

Failing to produce those records would at minimum jeopardize their business license. And upon closing they would legally have to give over said records anyways.
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May 18 2022
 
Suther said:
Yes and yes.

Anything bought since the whole reference number for NR purchases thing started (I'm drawing a blank, was that 2023?), since then they have had to keep records of all gun sales, and those records do not require a warrant to access.
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May 2022

As for address info it is already on the printed reference number rcmp copy regardless of whether you buy in person or online. They write something on that printed copy, maybe the corresponding sales invoice number or something. I have bought a few firearms in person in the past couple of months and this was what rhey did.
 
I would think all larger computerized firearms dealers would have electronic records saved with firearm info linked to the purchaser and the date. Since the requirement for transfer numbers this info would also be saved. I did try to look up an order I made to Cabela’s for a gun now on the list, in Oct of 22 and they have no record available for that sale available to me even though I supplied all the info they wanted.

Smaller mom pop shops may use a manual ledger but I would say in this day and age, at even the small shops, most sales and transfer info are kept on a computer. That being said the local Canadian tire still keeps manual ledger for ammo purchase but not sure what they do for firearms.

This info must be made available to the policing agency or CFO on demand. No business will play games if asked for the information simply to stop you from being investigated or queried.
 
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Suther said:
Yes and yes.

Anything bought since the whole reference number for NR purchases thing started (I'm drawing a blank, was that 2023?), since then they have had to keep records of all gun sales, and those records do not require a warrant to access.

Failing to produce those records would at minimum jeopardize their business license. And upon closing they would legally have to give over said records anyways.
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I think CCFR has a video explaining this
 
I heard someone say once ;) that if folks wanted to make things as difficult as possible, rather than praying for water damage or a fire,.....

if every PAL owner got transfer reference numbers for as many other PALs as they could, and vice versa, the traceability of previously NR firearms would become so impossible as to render it useless.

Since there is no requirement that a firearm actually change hands and no limit to the number of NR firearms that can be exchanged under such a transfer ref #, NR firearms, despite the store records, become functionally untraceable.

Or so I have heard it said.
 
Beeron said:
I heard someone say once ;) that if folks wanted to make things as difficult as possible, rather than praying for water damage or a fire,.....

if every PAL owner got transfer reference numbers for as many other PALs as they could, and vice versa, the traceability of previously NR firearms would become so impossible as to render it useless.

Since there is no requirement that a firearm actually change hands and no limit to the number of NR firearms that can be exchanged under such a transfer ref #, NR firearms, despite the store records, become functionally untraceable.

Or so I have heard it said.
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While true, that ship has sailed for the guns that have been prohibited. You would have had to get reference numbers between the time you purchased the gun and it got banned.

Good advice, but if this is the first time anyone is hearing about it then it's not going to help with the current situation.
 
when you buy a new firearm or used and the store calls in for verification the make model and serial number are recorded in a ledger with all your personal info
the gov nows you made a purchase on a certain day at a certain place they simple request the info from the store and then they know what you purchased
the dealer has to keep the records if the records are fudged they face legal prosecution
also all firearms are recorded when they enter canada
every gun is tracked
 
Beeron said:
what are you talking about?
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Are you serious? You know nothing about this? The feds have lost track of over 1/2 million Indians who entered the country under false pretences (student visa) then claimed “asylum” once they landed . While awaiting processing as asylum seekers .. they simply disappeared from the govt’s radar …
 
Suther said:
While true, that ship has sailed for the guns that have been prohibited. You would have had to get reference numbers between the time you purchased the gun and it got banned.

Good advise, but if this is the first time anyone is hearing about it then it's not going to help with the current situation.
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Well, it wouldn't help with previously restricted firearms for sure.
I haven't transferred a "Newly Prohib" firearm.
Is there a stipulation against transferring "newly Prohibited" firearms in the system?
I'm sure you're right and there is.

I guess ya, water/fire damage from AOG is what we all have to hope for.
Dang.
 
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