Does tenda have to supply the feds with gun owner information?
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Which gunshop?
rajczak_kashka
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rajczak_kashka
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Vancouver islander …figures
Canadian tire stores in Ontario have been keeping a log since long before the reference number rules started. I bought a non restricted in person in about 2018 and they made me fill out name, date of birth, address (even though that is all on your pal, which they also took a copy of) and signature beside today’s date. I bought ammo at 2 different Canadian tires that had the same form they wanted you to fill out for ammunition purchase.
As everyone else has stated, all gun dealers have been legally required to keep a log of all sales since 2022 and are legally required to hand it over to police whenever asked.
It isn’t a national registry, meaning they can’t just type “name of gun” into a search bar and get a list of names but if they were investigating a specific individual they could easily get a list of times that a reference number has been created for your pal and contact the individual dealers who initiated those transfers to find out what you purchased. If you sold or gifted it legally, you would have a reference number and the name and pal number of the person who has it. If you lost it and didn’t report it at the time, that is also a crime.
As everyone else has stated, all gun dealers have been legally required to keep a log of all sales since 2022 and are legally required to hand it over to police whenever asked.
It isn’t a national registry, meaning they can’t just type “name of gun” into a search bar and get a list of names but if they were investigating a specific individual they could easily get a list of times that a reference number has been created for your pal and contact the individual dealers who initiated those transfers to find out what you purchased. If you sold or gifted it legally, you would have a reference number and the name and pal number of the person who has it. If you lost it and didn’t report it at the time, that is also a crime.
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Based on recent reports, there is significant debate regarding the tracking of foreign nationals in Canada, including undocumented individuals and those slated for removal.
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The 500,000 figure often cited refers to the total estimated undocumented population, for which the federal government has previously explored "regularization" programs to provide a path to permanent residency
Now there is a Hard FACT that should be out in the Real NEWS
But stupid people would call that Racist I bet 
Do not confuse income tax requirements with Firearms Act requirements.
Every taxpayer is required to keep documentation to support their tax return for 5yrs from the last Notice of Assessment. So that basically means 6 years. For a business this would not require info on who purchased what. All that would be required is receipts for sales and HST collected along with receipts to prove expenses and HST paid.
The requirement that came into effect in 2022 for firearm sales record keeping requires a 20yr storage. I find this onerous/ridiculous because not many small businesses even make it that long, and I have seen how tax records get lost or discarded when there is a bankruptcy, divorce settlement, long distance move of the owner after quitting the business, or death of the owner. Most people don't even care about being audited in the future at that point let alone records of firearms sales from a practical perspective. Or if they are kept they get shuffled around and lost or damaged over the years. Papers kept in the corner of the old garage/shed with mold and water damage for example which I have seen.
I was just doing some research on this a couple weeks ago and can confirm the 20yr record keeping period. My personal feeling is that the govt is trying very hard to make criminals from all angles with the firearms legislation. It all depends on how hard they pursue issues when they come to their attention down the road. For example, in most cases the business owners who do not have access to tax records for the past six years, will never have to worry about it because there will never be an audit. However, I can tell you that CRA does not care about whether there is access to records if by chance they decide to audit.
I will give you an example of a situation with a small gun dealer. This goes back twenty years ago...long before all this banning shyt. The owner had a small shop with a fair sized turn over of inventory. Without warning he started to show signs of dementia which progressed rapidly. The wife ended up abruptly closing the business, selling inventory by auction, and selling the house likely at less than market as it was immediate. They moved to a small apartment, and then he ended up having to go into a nursing home where he died. Now anyone care to guess about whether business records for the past six years were kept for an audit let alone 20yrs worth of sales records? Sometimes life issues overtake any concerns about legislation.
redshooter
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All stores have had a ledger for a very, very long time.
As I've pointed out previously, they can trace an individual gun owner, but to expand on that they'd need a starting point, like a Rifle found at a crime scene, I imagine at that point tracing who sold it to whom would be pretty simple starting with the import records.
Key here is starting point, they'd already have to be looking at YOU, otherwise it's a very expensive fishing expedition. AI, could lower the cost, but that would require store ledgers to be digital, and I've yet to see one that is.
As I've pointed out previously, they can trace an individual gun owner, but to expand on that they'd need a starting point, like a Rifle found at a crime scene, I imagine at that point tracing who sold it to whom would be pretty simple starting with the import records.
Key here is starting point, they'd already have to be looking at YOU, otherwise it's a very expensive fishing expedition. AI, could lower the cost, but that would require store ledgers to be digital, and I've yet to see one that is.
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