Does the P-99 Suck?

Try Canadian Tire for the BB or pellet gun version of the P99. Saves you money and ammo. Apparently it is the same dimensions. Then go out and buy a USP. OR, wait for the new USP, based on the HK45 design. OR, if you want Ambi mag release get an XD. I have been seeing some positive reviews on that.
 
Bartledan said:
I, on the other hand, have never seen a reliable out-of-the-box CZ, and have had nothing but reliable service from my Glock, at 30,000 rounds and counting. In the time I owned an HK, it never had a single malfunction, and even my P-99, which I hated, never had a malfunction.

Heck, my Glock started to finally get broken in at 20,000 rounds.

Forgive me, but you seem to be beating a tired and... well... discredited drum, here. You know, the whole "steel is better than polymer" thing. In fact, what you've said above matches nearly exactly what I hear from ignoramuses at the guns store who are almost entirely without experience of that which they speak.
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Funny I just finished reading a post on another forum from a guy who was talking about the cracked frame on his CZ that had to go in for warranty repair. The post was a shipping question but again it highlights that every type of gun no matter what it is made of is susceptible to some sort of damage or factory flaw. Unless the gun has a reputation for being weak (lots of similar complaints from lots of different owners) than it is a mute point to argue which one is stronger etc. in my opinion. Metal fatigue is probably no better or less susceptible to premature failure than polymer fatigue.
 
Musky Hunter said:
WHAT!!

:eek:

I have over 15,000 rds in my G17, I have fired 3,000 rds before cleaning it. I have never had a gun induced malfunction. Try doing that with a CZ or 1911...

BTW, i have seen more CZs break than Glock. Heck, even Angus told me factory CZs are spoty.

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Maybe, but I have a 75B closing in on 10000 rds, some hot loaded. Not a single hickup from this gun. It's flawless and seem to shoot better and better as I shoot it more. For me it was much more accurate out of the box then anything else I have ever shot.
Glocks XD and P99, I'll probably take the Glock, closely followed by an XD. P99? meh....
 
Guys we run lots of guns of each type on the range here. It has been my experience that the P99 slides and barrels tend to be more fragile than the Glock, or CZ parts. Glocks certainly don't last forever and they seem to crap out before SIGs and 1911s. Having said that, if we run a gun on the range we expect to get at least 3 months and 30-50,000rds out of it. Most major brand name guns will do that. The P99s will meet this requirement (just), however because they cost more than the others we are reluctant to run as many of them.
 
My CZ 75B has had over 20000 rounds and is still going strong. So have my 1911's. It may be an old cliche, but steel IS stronger than plastic in my experience. I've seen polymer guns break down time and time again. Even the XD's (which I love and own). For durability, you can't beat a 1911. They do have a break in period, but after that they are good to go. I don't want to step on any plastic gun fans toes, this is only my opinion from my experiences. Glocks and the like are fine guns, they just don't last as long.
 
CZ Man said:
In my opinion, I'd stay away from all poylmer guns (except the XD). All the ones that I have seen (Glock, H&K, Walthers) that have had more than 10000 rounds through them seem to have lots of problems. Be it springs, or the frame rails, (or at worst) I've seen some of them blow up. (Two Glocks, one Walther, and one HK). Steel guns are the best in my opinion. I prefer 1911's and obviously the CZ's as the two best. If you get a Walther, I'd say get rid of it before you reach 10000 rounds. I hope this helps.
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I don't think durability is necessarily the issue with plastic-framed (and don't kid yourself, it is plastic) pistols, the two things that I always find fault with is that they have more recoil because they have less mass and they have crummy trigger pulls. (And if you read in a gun magazine that plastic frames "absorb" recoil, I suggest using that gun magazine as toilet paper for your pet - simple physics rules that one out, the reason the Glock doesn't have as much perceived recoil as some metal-framed guns is because of the grip angle.)

Yes, yes, I know, you can get the super-whizzbang trigger connector for your Glock, and someone won the IPSC Standard Division World Shoot with one (once), but I always wondered how much effort that took. A hell of a lot, I suspect.

I used to shoot in competitions with Armando Valdez, who at the time was considered to be the best Glock shooter in the country (used a Glock 24) and as soon as the STI guns came out, it was all over for him, really.

The trigger pull on some of these guns is good enough for government work, but they weren't designed with target shooting in mind.

I know tons of people use Glocks for target shooting and do well with them, but does that mean the gun is the best choice? After all, I've seen Jerry Miculek kick serious ass with a revolver, going up against guys with customised 1911s.

The best trigger pulls on plastic-framed guns are the ones with metal triggers, like the SIG Pro (which also has a metal locking insert that the slide runs on). I was shooting a S&W M&P the other day, and I got seven holes in the target at 25m in a pretty tidy group, with three fliers - because of the trigger pull.

If you like mastering mushy trigger pulls, by all means buy one.
 
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