Does this look like the real thing? Mosin sniper
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Go figure, the pictures came out small. The rifle is a 1944 Izhevsk, all matching numbers. The original scope serial number on the left side of the receiver has been crossed out. The current scope does not show any soviet markings just a 25 inside a closed triangle above a P. The serial number on the scope starts with a Cyrillic A. The electro stenciling is done in cyrillic as well
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My guess it's an ex sniper put back to original with another scope mount and scope. Are the numbers in the pic crossed out? If so its a real sniper just one that has had a scope put back on. I did the same thing to my exsniper. It's still the real deal just with the wrong mount and scope.
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If thats the case, all I can say is SWEEET!!
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Real. The Made in Russia marking confirms it is one of the more recent batch.
That's pure bull####.
These are the new Mosin Repro's that are coming in under an importer I know. They were confirmed to be refurbished to made look like real snipers.
Actual Molot made mosin's are rarer than hens teeth. They were imported many many years ago and none have really come since.
At some point in the past, this one was a sniper. During or after refurb, it was mated with a different scope, and mount, and bossibly other parts.
So is it a ww2 PU sniper? Yes, and No.
It is a mix of parts, so take it for what it is. You have an interesting scope too.
I don't think the stock is originally a sniper stock. I think it was made recently in Russia, so your rifle is half repro half original
I would wager its one of the "new imports" from Russia, where they have been making 91/30 PU's from left over parts, barreled actions, bolts, and making the stock cuts themselves.
I have owned and handled several 91/30 PU snipers, including Hungarian, Polish 91/30 PU and Russian 91/30 PU refurbs/non-refurbs.
Yours is still nice, and worthy of a place in your collection.
So is it a ww2 PU sniper? Yes, and No.
It is a mix of parts, so take it for what it is. You have an interesting scope too.
I don't think the stock is originally a sniper stock. I think it was made recently in Russia, so your rifle is half repro half original
I would wager its one of the "new imports" from Russia, where they have been making 91/30 PU's from left over parts, barreled actions, bolts, and making the stock cuts themselves.
I have owned and handled several 91/30 PU snipers, including Hungarian, Polish 91/30 PU and Russian 91/30 PU refurbs/non-refurbs.
Yours is still nice, and worthy of a place in your collection.
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Hey man, I don't mean to be rude here but you're completely incorrect. Please don't spread misinformation.
His scope and base were added long ago, probably the 1960s. The arsenal that refurbished the scope has its mark stamped right on there. The base is original Russian.
It's a Tulsky export from Russia. They're real snipers. Thousands of them were imported into the USA a few years ago. What was left (I'm estimating 100-200) trickled their way into Canada in Q4 of 2015. I purchased one myself, to inspect. They have gone through a different refurbishment program than the Molots, but it is vintage, not recent. A gentleman in Germany was also lucky enough to get an all matching, original, 'light refurb' / not refurbished Tula from the Tulsky export. A few US collectors did manage to get original matching Izhevsks.
The Molot snipers were actually imported in pretty big numbers as far as the Canadian market goes, there are hundreds of them in Canada alone and they are all real snipers.
At some point in the past, this one was a sniper. During or after refurb, it was mated with a different scope, and mount, and bossibly other parts.
So is it a ww2 PU sniper? Yes, and No.
It is a mix of parts, so take it for what it is. You have an interesting scope too.
I don't think the stock is originally a sniper stock. I think it was made recently in Russia, so your rifle is half repro half original
I would wager its one of the "new imports" from Russia, where they have been making 91/30 PU's from left over parts, barreled actions, bolts, and making the stock cuts themselves.
I have owned and handled several 91/30 PU snipers, including Hungarian, Polish 91/30 PU and Russian 91/30 PU refurbs/non-refurbs.
Yours is still nice, and worthy of a place in your collection.
Firstly, it is a mix of parts sure, but 99% of all Mosin-Nagants in Canada are a mix of parts. The rifle was refurbished in the Soviet Union, for the Soviet Union. It's an authentic sniper. End. It was not assembled recently, at all. The Molot made hunting rifles for the Russian market are the not the same as the PU snipers btw, even though they're both exported as "hunting rifles". They don't even use PU mounts.
Also, what are you talking about? You can clearly and visibly see the CCCP roundel and the inspector's initials on the stock: "ИЛ", dating the stock to 1944/1945. As in, original Russian, made in 1944/1945 and almost certainly a sniper stock, being made in 1944/1945.
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You weren't being rude, you just don't know discerning facts.
OP was asking if his rifle was an original WW2 era sniper, and it's not. All of the original made "sniper grade" rifles in WW2 were out of Molot factory, period. Anything else is a post-WW2 arsenal refurbishment of standard issue Izhmash rifles with added scopes and bent bolts.
A post WW2 Izhmash mosin is NOT an Original WW2 Molot sniper. Not even close buddy.
I'm afraid that you've been mislead by some vendors in Canada who were selling repro snipers at the time of the Molot imports, and gave some lies.
You can read about the Molot / Tulsky snipers here: http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/sniper_exports/index.html
Molot and Tulsky were both simply exporters, they added the "Hunting Rifle" stamps to be able to legally export them, as you cannot export military rifles out of Russia. For more information, sign up @ the gunboards forum, some of the more serious collectors have even more information.
Long story short: All of the Molot exported and Tulsky exported are WW2 era snipers. In fact, you can even see the original 1944/1945 inspector's initials on his stock, if you know what you're looking for...
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Also, I'm not sure if you're aware as to WHY they refurbished the rifles into snipers. Simply put, the main army had SVD's, so they needed to refurbish standard mosins into snipers for the civil defense program at the time. The refurbishing has nothing to do with exportation.
That's not true at all, they made so many PU snipers that they began decommissioning them into infantry rifles. They made literally hundreds of thousands of sniper rifles. Also, there are unique features to sniper stocks vs. infantry stocks. Also, they didn't really produce any infantry stocks in 1944 compared to sniper stocks as 91/30 production was nearly stopped.
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I'm not sure where your sources are from, but obviously they are completely different than mine. I was given what I know directly from the importer. For what it's worth, it could've been completely baloney just to sell better wares. I've trusted him in the past and I don't see any reason as to why he'd be wrong. I'll do a little more digging.
I apologize for being rude, it was uncalled for. I was just in a bad mood.
Military rifles cannot be legally exported out of Russia do to Russian law. No importer is going to go on the record and state that they have imported military sniper rifles from Russia, think about it.
Read the link I posted and register on gunboards for more information. There are only a handful of serious Mosin collectors in Canada and there just isn't as much information available in Canada vs. USA/Russia.
