Dominion 4198. Anyone having luck with it yet?
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I use h4198 for 7.62x39 in a cz 527 bolt. The load I've worked up is very accurate and was thinking of trying the d4198 when I run out . The price is right... but maybe the time and money in load development won't be worth the cheap powder?
I used my D4198 for My MVP 223 bolt rifle load. it's actually very accurate description with their 10% less compare to the IMR4198. I tested around 7 different loads from (17gr to 20gr with 0.5gr increment) which is 10% less than the max load on the internet (the 20gr was just for fun 
). After all 35 cartridges tested. I locked my at 19.5 for the ultimate load for this 24" MVP 223 rifle(best group was under half inch at 100 yards with 5 touching holes, among all 10 5shots groups that I shoot at that day, everything else was all under 1inch as well ), the seating depth is 2.200, Remington Case, used Campro 55gr projectile and Dominion SR primer. So, I think work up the loads was not too bad with only 35 cartridges, but you have to keep it in mind, these powder come in batches, and you have to buy enough powder from the same lot(batch), so that you won't need to work your loads up all over again, which I didn't buy enough, and now it's out of stock . So next time I have to work everything once more .
I think, it's a very good alternative for the money compare to the price tag that IMR 4198 is at (40-50ish).
BTW, the 19.5gr loads works very good in the Norinco type 97 bullpup rifle as well. Cycles very smooth with good accuracy, but all my brass were destroyed by the 97 ejection port. I don' t have my Rpal yet, so don't have any info on AR atm .
Hope this helps,
Cheers!
). After all 35 cartridges tested. I locked my at 19.5 for the ultimate load for this 24" MVP 223 rifle(best group was under half inch at 100 yards with 5 touching holes, among all 10 5shots groups that I shoot at that day, everything else was all under 1inch as well ), the seating depth is 2.200, Remington Case, used Campro 55gr projectile and Dominion SR primer. So, I think work up the loads was not too bad with only 35 cartridges, but you have to keep it in mind, these powder come in batches, and you have to buy enough powder from the same lot(batch), so that you won't need to work your loads up all over again, which I didn't buy enough, and now it's out of stock . So next time I have to work everything once more . I think, it's a very good alternative for the money compare to the price tag that IMR 4198 is at (40-50ish).
BTW, the 19.5gr loads works very good in the Norinco type 97 bullpup rifle as well. Cycles very smooth with good accuracy, but all my brass were destroyed by the 97 ejection port
. I don' t have my Rpal yet, so don't have any info on AR atm . Hope this helps,
Cheers!
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Good to know it works in the t97. I use 25gr h335 under a hornady 55 fmjbt, way more accurate than the cases of norc yellow box I have...
The h335 meters very well in my lee discs. How is the d4198 for metering? Is it an extruded stick type?
The h335 meters very well in my lee discs. How is the d4198 for metering? Is it an extruded stick type?
Yes, it's the extruded stick type, and I don' t use my auto powder drop for my rifle loads. With RCBS Chargemaster 1500, there are just 3-4 over drop per 100. Hope this could help you determine.
Cheers!
Some years ago I used IMR4198 in the 308 with 150gr bullets to make reduced hunting loads for a young hunter.
35gr IMR4198 was about 80% load density and 2500 fps.
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Thanks jethunter, where did you get this data btw? From my searches 4198 is not well suited for heavy 308 bullets, but i have seen mentions of its being used in sbrs and reduced loads. I will have to try it for myself, just need to verify for safety sakes.
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There are powders much better suited than 4198 for wringing max velocity from a 308, which is why you don't see it listed in 308 load data. If you can live with a bit less velocity then 4198 works well.
I used Quickload and a chrony to develop this load. If you want some feel-good verification call Hodgdon - I've done that when I wanted to verify a starting point on a powder they didn't list for a cartridge. They use Quickload, too.
QL says this load is 45K, basically a clean starting load. I tend to have confidence in this pressure estimate because the velocity was right on, and lighter loads had a few sooty necks. Sooty necks start to go away when you get over 40-45K psi range.
I did load some warmer loads as well for testing but the 35gr load was exactly what I wanted so that's where I settled.
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There are powders much better suited than 4198 for wringing max velocity from a 308, which is why you don't see it listed in 308 load data. If you can live with a bit less velocity then 4198 works well.
I used Quickload and a chrony to develop this load. If you want some feel-good verification call Hodgdon - I've done that when I wanted to verify a starting point on a powder they didn't list for a cartridge. They use Quickload, too.
QL says this load is 45K, basically a clean starting load. I tend to have confidence in this pressure estimate because the velocity was right on, and lighter loads had a few sooty necks. Sooty necks start to go away when you get over 40-45K psi range.
I did load some warmer loads as well for testing but the 35gr load was exactly what I wanted so that's where I settled.
Thanks for sharing
. What I need is just some 100-200 yards bolt action target rounds. So would your loads work with the 147gr Campro bullets? I am pretty new to reloading, so anything would help 
. Thanks!I've been using 123gr FMJBT with 38.5gr of H4198, 2.625" OAL with crimp and IVI brass from my Savage 10TR @ 3100fps.
Have seen groups from 3/8MOA to 7/8MOA pretty consistently with that and its shown accurate out to 400yds.
Switching to the D4198 I'm getting more like 1.5-2MOA at best.
These loads using H4198 have shown to cycle an M305 just fine (Didn't test accuracy) and cycled/were quite accurate from a Remington 742.
I also use these projectiles in 300 Blackout (H110 Powder) and intend to use them in NEA102 for a bulk play load.
Have seen groups from 3/8MOA to 7/8MOA pretty consistently with that and its shown accurate out to 400yds.
Switching to the D4198 I'm getting more like 1.5-2MOA at best.
These loads using H4198 have shown to cycle an M305 just fine (Didn't test accuracy) and cycled/were quite accurate from a Remington 742.
I also use these projectiles in 300 Blackout (H110 Powder) and intend to use them in NEA102 for a bulk play load.
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Thanks for sharing
I used a Sierra 150gr flat based bullet and that load was quite respectable in that rifle.
If the Campro bullets are good for 2500 fps then I expect they would be fine.
