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TDC said:
I I see the practical side of firearms and a single shot break action isn't practical and serves no purpose, much the same as blackpowder/muzzleloaders.

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Millions of third world hunters gathering bushmeat for their families would disagree. For those who cant afford a different gun, or in places where pumps and semi's are illegal or unavalable.
The single-shot Cooey 12gg was the staple farmgun for generations.
The Break action is also very small, light and portable. It breaks in two quick as can be. It would be a good survival gun, If it had sights you could kill anything within 12gg slug ranges.
A single shot can be reloaded very quickly, I used a NEF 270 for years because it was the only lefty friendly gun at the store. I had a buttstock holder on it and it was quite fast.
 
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TDC said:
......... a single shot break action isn't practical and serves no purpose, much the same as blackpowder/muzzleloaders...........
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"Isn't practical and serves no purpose"? I'm sure the billions of game animals killed with single shot shotguns (and with muzzle loaders) provides proof that such guns are indeed very practical, not to mention light weight, inexpensive, easy to maintain and generally simple and robust.
 
TDC said:
If the single shot break action is something to "add to the collection" than fair enough. I see the practical side of firearms and a single shot break action isn't practical and serves no purpose, much the same as blackpowder/muzzleloaders. A five shot semi still beats a single shot break action, but I digress.

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I know of a lot of single shot target shooters that would argue your point.
 
I don't live in a third world nation(not yet) so the merit of a single shot in such an environment is of no value. I don't doubt it can be and has been put to good use. The part that eludes me is why anyone would select a single shot over a quality pump or semi; the single shot break action is impractical when compared to the options available. Budget is a term used to describe a specific quantity over a period of time. $150 for a Chinese single shot or $200-400 for a proven American made pump gun. The answer is right there. Save up a little while longer and buy a better tool.

The size of a break action is no different than a similarly barreled pump gun or any other action style for that matter. The ability to be broken down quickly and compactly is of no use except for cleaning and transport/storage which should be the last concern if at all when selecting a firearm.

"If it had sights.." there is the key, "IF" it had sights, which it doesn't. The $200-$400 pump guns do and at no extra charge. The speed at which a break action can be reloaded(and brought on target)will never be as fast or faster than a pump/semi/lever action. Its still one round.

For target shooters, sure its their cup of tea. I don't spend a lot of time shooting stationary paper or silhouettes. When I do, the bolt gun or the semi's do just fine.

As for break actions being "easy to make safe" I call BS. Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device. Action style plays no part in safe handling of firearms. The operator is the dangerous portion not the tool in their hands.

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As for break actions being "easy to make safe" I call BS. Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device. Action style plays no part in safe handling of firearms. The operator is the dangerous portion not the tool in their hands.
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Dude it's not BS.......I'm serious they are real easy to make safe!
Just break the action and she's safe.....no mechanical safety required.

I like hammers as well... but I guess they aren't practical either....

I agree that safety starts between the ears......but some actions are easier to make safe, as in unload and verify.
 
Can-down said:
Dude it's not BS.......I'm serious they are real easy to make safe!
Just break the action and she's safe.....no mechanical safety required.

I like hammers as well... but I guess they aren't practical either....

I agree that safety starts between the ears......but some actions are easier to make safe, as in unload and verify.
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All firearms are treated as if they are loaded, so who cares if they physically are or not. Are you concerned or scared of a loaded firearm? You shouldn't be. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded. Why the rush to unload and show clear. An unloaded firearm(physically unloaded that is) is useless. I prefer my firearms to be useful.

Exposed hammers are rather useless. A quality design with an internal hammer or striker and sound firearms handling will prevent any negligent discharges. Anyone with enough sense to use a half #### or lower the hammer, probably has enough sense to run with the hammer cocked and safety engaged. If the firearm only has a half #### and no positive mechanical safety than the design is poor.

Safety starts and ends between the ears. Mechanical safeties are simply insurance for times when the firearm leaves ones control(tripping and falling).

TDC
 
TDC said:
I don't live in a third world nation(not yet) so the merit of a single shot in such an environment is of no value. I don't doubt it can be and has been put to good use. The part that eludes me is why anyone would select a single shot over a quality pump or semi; the single shot break action is impractical when compared to the options available. Budget is a term used to describe a specific quantity over a period of time. $150 for a Chinese single shot or $200-400 for a proven American made pump gun. The answer is right there. Save up a little while longer and buy a better tool.

The size of a break action is no different than a similarly barreled pump gun or any other action style for that matter. The ability to be broken down quickly and compactly is of no use except for cleaning and transport/storage which should be the last concern if at all when selecting a firearm.

"If it had sights.." there is the key, "IF" it had sights, which it doesn't. The $200-$400 pump guns do and at no extra charge. The speed at which a break action can be reloaded(and brought on target)will never be as fast or faster than a pump/semi/lever action. Its still one round.

For target shooters, sure its their cup of tea. I don't spend a lot of time shooting stationary paper or silhouettes. When I do, the bolt gun or the semi's do just fine.

As for break actions being "easy to make safe" I call BS. Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device. Action style plays no part in safe handling of firearms. The operator is the dangerous portion not the tool in their hands.

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Actually I think the single shot is the most "practical" of all. As far as safety goes the break open gun is far easier to tell that it is visibly safe than an Auto or a Pump. "Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device". What a crock of shyte! Who are you? Kreskin? Can you will your safety on? I have news for you a safety is a mechanical device.
 
Calum said:
Until you meet a Bear. :D

But joking aside I agree with you. :)
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According to your avatar, I'm not going to say anything about bears:D

But I always have a slug in my shotgun(first shot) and I wonder the grouses always have time to wait for me to reject and load another shell for em:D
 
I find it interesting that most of the hunters I meet in the woods that use single shots started out with bolts, semis or pumps, but wanted something lighter and more compact. Their story invariably is that they had learned that firepower , compared to acquiring woodcraft, tracking and stalking skills, was of very little advantage, and the discipline forced on you when you only have one shot is, as they say, priceless.
 
JohnC said:
I find it interesting that most of the hunters I meet in the woods that use single shots started out with bolts, semis or pumps, but wanted something lighter and more compact. Their story invariably is that they had learned that firepower , compared to acquiring woodcraft, tracking and stalking skills, was of very little advantage, and the discipline forced on you when you only have one shot is, as they say, priceless.
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Well said JohnC well said.
 
TDC said:
As for break actions being "easy to make safe" I call BS. Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device. Action style plays no part in safe handling of firearms. The operator is the dangerous portion not the tool in their hands.
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It is easier to make and show a break action safe than any other action design. The break action can also be seen from a distance that it is not in firing condition.

In the field unloading a break action to cross a fence line or in rough terrain is much easier than a pump or semi. A few years ago I slid down a 30 foot embankment when soft ground gave way. When I finally stopped I noticed my sxs was open. I had instinctively opened the gun while I was sliding down hill, something I couldn't have done with a semi or pump.
 
Exposed hammers are rather useless. A quality design with an internal hammer or striker and sound firearms handling will prevent any negligent discharges. Anyone with enough sense to use a half #### or lower the hammer, probably has enough sense to run with the hammer cocked and safety engaged. If the firearm only has a half #### and no positive mechanical safety than the design is poor.
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Well I guess I differ from your opinion on this as well because I like half #### guns with no extra safeties....
The other difference between us is that I don't consider things "useless" in the general sense just because I prefer something else.
 
Win/64 said:
Actually I think the single shot is the most "practical" of all. As far as safety goes the break open gun is far easier to tell that it is visibly safe than an Auto or a Pump. "Safety is a state of mind, not a mechanical device". What a crock of shyte! Who are you? Kreskin? Can you will your safety on? I have news for you a safety is a mechanical device.
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Again you people don't get it. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded regardless of whether or not they physically are loaded. If you handle your loaded firearms in a different fashion than unloaded you are wrong. As I mentioned, safety devices(mechanical) are simply insurance for the unplanned fall or tumble one might take.

"visibly safe" is an ignorant square range belief that contradicts the fundamental rules of firearms handling. The "practical" side of a single shot BA rests squarely in the belief that "showing clear" is somehow a time based operation where faster is safer.

As for the ride down the embankment. Control of the muzzle and finger off trigger solves the problem(a mechanical safety is a nice addition). The system involved is irrelevant as the fundamentals for firearms handling don't change. Hence why the four rules are UNIVERSAL.

Crossing a fence line is not rocket science. For those who are uber paranoid or lacking in skill, unloading your firearm is the safest way. For those with some intelligence, laying ones rifle down pointed in a safe direction and hopping the fence produces the same safe result. Firearms don't discharge themselves. If you hunt with a buddy(which smart people do for safety) handing your rifle over the fence to your buddy is no different than walking the bush with it. If you can't do one safely you can't do the other. Again, muzzle control and finger off trigger solves any problems that could be possible.

I guess the term useless is a little inappropriate, let me clarify. When another style/design can accomplish a similar task with increased speed, ease, or efficiency. There is no logical reason to select the inferior style. Hence it becomes less useful, perhaps useless when compared to the superior design.

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TDC said:
Again you people don't get it. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded regardless of whether or not they physically are loaded. If you handle your loaded firearms in a different fashion than unloaded you are wrong. As I mentioned, safety devices(mechanical) are simply insurance for the unplanned fall or tumble one might take.

"visibly safe" is an ignorant square range belief that contradicts the fundamental rules of firearms handling. The "practical" side of a single shot BA rests squarely in the belief that "showing clear" is somehow a time based operation where faster is safer.

As for the ride down the embankment. Control of the muzzle and finger off trigger solves the problem(a mechanical safety is a nice addition). The system involved is irrelevant as the fundamentals for firearms handling don't change. Hence why the four rules are UNIVERSAL.

Crossing a fence line is not rocket science. For those who are uber paranoid or lacking in skill, unloading your firearm is the safest way. For those with some intelligence, laying ones rifle down pointed in a safe direction and hopping the fence produces the same safe result. Firearms don't discharge themselves. If you hunt with a buddy(which smart people do for safety) handing your rifle over the fence to your buddy is no different than walking the bush with it. If you can't do one safely you can't do the other. Again, muzzle control and finger off trigger solves any problems that could be possible.

I guess the term useless is a little inappropriate, let me clarify. When another style/design can accomplish a similar task with increased speed, ease, or efficiency. There is no logical reason to select the inferior style. Hence it becomes less useful, perhaps useless when compared to the superior design.

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WTF is this post (and most of your others) doing in this thread???:rolleyes::onCrack: You need get off your soap box and STFU or start your own thread.

You don't like single shotguns we get it, we do, get over it.

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Again you people don't get it. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded regardless of whether or not they physically are loaded. If you handle your loaded firearms in a different fashion than unloaded you are wrong.
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NO you are WRONG, I don't know where you were taught this little nugget but I will never go by it nor teach anyone it. Show me anywhere in the world, civilian, military or police that goes by it. :rolleyes:

A firearm should be treated as loaded until proven safe/unloaded. After that its ####ing unloaded. There are so many reasons why you need to know the difference. If you open another thread I'll get into it with you.

I'm still waiting for my Backpacker to ship. :(
 
TDC said:
Again you people don't get it. All firearms are treated as if they are loaded regardless of whether or not they physically are loaded. If you handle your loaded firearms in a different fashion than unloaded you are wrong. As I mentioned, safety devices(mechanical) are simply insurance for the unplanned fall or tumble one might take.

"visibly safe" is an ignorant square range belief that contradicts the fundamental rules of firearms handling. The "practical" side of a single shot BA rests squarely in the belief that "showing clear" is somehow a time based operation where faster is safer.

As for the ride down the embankment. Control of the muzzle and finger off trigger solves the problem(a mechanical safety is a nice addition). The system involved is irrelevant as the fundamentals for firearms handling don't change. Hence why the four rules are UNIVERSAL.

Crossing a fence line is not rocket science. For those who are uber paranoid or lacking in skill, unloading your firearm is the safest way. For those with some intelligence, laying ones rifle down pointed in a safe direction and hopping the fence produces the same safe result. Firearms don't discharge themselves. If you hunt with a buddy(which smart people do for safety) handing your rifle over the fence to your buddy is no different than walking the bush with it. If you can't do one safely you can't do the other. Again, muzzle control and finger off trigger solves any problems that could be possible.

I guess the term useless is a little inappropriate, let me clarify. When another style/design can accomplish a similar task with increased speed, ease, or efficiency. There is no logical reason to select the inferior style. Hence it becomes less useful, perhaps useless when compared to the superior design.

TDC
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Did you have to take your "soother" out of your mouth to say all that drivel?
 
Sesshomaru said:
According to your avatar, I'm not going to say anything about bears:D

But I always have a slug in my shotgun(first shot) and I wonder the grouses always have time to wait for me to reject and load another shell for em:D
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Hmmmmm? You do sound prepared! But what if you and Mr. Bear are stalking the same stump chicken? And you see one of them grouses? You dump your bear load in favor of one for grouses? What if you encounter the bear either immediately before or immediately after you shoot one of those grouses?
 
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