Don't EVER complain about how much a gun smith charges ! ! ! !

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.... especially if you know they do good work!

So I'm puttering around today filing and sanding some epoxy from a couple of shotgun stocks I'm working on. Bad splits around the neck and one of them had a previous patch on the toe of the butt which had failed. Did the epoxy in the splits and glued on a new toe patch block yesterday. So today was clean them up and shape the block that extended most of the way to the pistol grip. All in all a pleasant day of tinkering around while it rains outside. Tunes going and all....

So the one stock had no butt plate. No problem. I'll modify and fit this big brass one I've got from some odd thing that showed up.... So fitting the plate to the stock I'm sooting up the brass and rubbing on the wood and shaving or filing away the marks. All nice and tidy and going well. Got it to where a piece of writing paper would not slide into any of the "gaps" and decided that was good enough. More than 80% soot showing around the edge and even the spots with no soot marks won't take a narrow slip of writing paper without binding. I'm happy and call that part done...

Then I realized that it was going really well. From watching YT videos I realize that I'm pretty much up to speed with doing this compared to a lot of the smiths in the videos. But it STILL has taken about four hours to prep and fix the splits in the wrist area, clean up the repairs, attach and shape that toe block and then to modify and fit the butt plate. And that doesn't include the time spent soaking the stocks then using oil absorbing mixtures to remove the massive amount of oil soaking in one of them. And I still have to apply and rub in a half dozen coats of BLO yet.

If I charged for doing this I'd easily have to charge about $300 for each stock to make a living at this. And this is just for some basic stuff! ! ! ! I don't know what a smith would actually charge. But I do know I've seen a few folks complain about the cost for basic work in a few cases. Well.... They just simply don't know how much work a lot of this stuff is ! ! ! !

You guys in this forum are likely smiling and nodding in agreement. Me? I just count myself and my bank account lucky that I can do this sort of thing for myself.... :)

For the rest of you I'd think twice before I complain about the last quote you got for what seemed to you like it should be pretty basic work on one of your guns.
 
I was in a friends garage awhile ago and a fellow comes in and wants his fanbelt fixed. We looked at and said bring it in. Fellow complained about the $20.00 fee just for putting a bolt in the alternator. Reg looked at him and said 1.25 for the bolt and 18.75 for knowing what to do with it. LOL.
 
I was in a friends garage awhile ago and a fellow comes in and wants his fanbelt fixed. We looked at and said bring it in. Fellow complained about the $20.00 fee just for putting a bolt in the alternator. Reg looked at him and said 1.25 for the bolt and 18.75 for knowing what to do with it. LOL.
The guy is an idiot he should try mainstream car dealers who charge you $75.00 just for what is called inspection maintenance checks
 
Fact is, a bunch of people are cheap sh***.
They pay $120 to $140 per hour for a part swapping "mechanic" at their car dealership but begrudge a gunsmith a living wage.
Most gunsmith I have known would think they had died and gone to heaven if they got up to $50 an hour gross.
 
100% agree........
I do a lot of my own repairs and upgrades. Can't imagine what it would have cost over the years to have had the work done by a smith.
 
Fact is, a bunch of people are cheap sh***.
They pay $120 to $140 per hour for a part swapping "mechanic" at their car dealership but begrudge a gunsmith a living wage.
Most gunsmith I have known would think they had died and gone to heaven if they got up to $50 an hour gross.
^^^ Agreed my local guy is fantastic and his rates are more than reasonable..
 
I also do a lot of my own work on my guns. Ive done everything from making a firing pin from scratch, making a stock from a block of walnut, to rebluing. Ive saved a ton of money by being able to do things myself. If I had to charge for the time I put in a lot of my jobs the price would be ridiculous just because of the hours involved.
 
20 for touching a car ? Wow he got off cheep
I was in a friends garage awhile ago and a fellow comes in and wants his fanbelt fixed. We looked at and said bring it in. Fellow complained about the $20.00 fee just for putting a bolt in the alternator. Reg looked at him and said 1.25 for the bolt and 18.75 for knowing what to do with it. LOL.
 
You guys in this forum are likely smiling and nodding in agreement. Me? I just count myself and my bank account lucky that I can do this sort of thing for myself.... :)

This goes for all things mechanical, I have old motorcycles and used to drive old cars daily and if I had to pay someone to work on them anytime maintenance or repairs were needed I’d be broke.

If the women don’t find you handsome, at least they’ll find you handy.
 
Hell, when I built or repair a rifle or pistol I figure my time earns me about $5 to $10 an hour and that is why I do it only for myself or close friends....it is a labour of love for sure.
 
Fact is, a bunch of people are cheap sh***.
They pay $120 to $140 per hour for a part swapping "mechanic" at their car dealership but begrudge a gunsmith a living wage.
Most gunsmith I have known would think they had died and gone to heaven if they got up to $50 an hour gross.

After 2 years of gunsmithing college (1966-67) I worked for minimum wage for gun shops for many years... then I went on my own and took another job to support my gunsmithing income... did that for several years then went to work for another gun store for wages... when the house was paid for and my wife still working I set up my shop at home and went full time on my own. After 2 years of training and 35 years of experience and $15,000 worth of tooling and no mortgage; I finally started to make a decent dollar. I did everything in the way of stock work, finishing, blueing, and repairs. After 51 years I am now semi retired and specialize in bolt action accuracy work only about 6 months of a year; it's my pension plan.

The dollars a gunsmith receives are minor in the total cost of a firearm and parts...
 
Don’t get me wrong because I understand how much work goes into fixing things and doing labour and the time and skills and tooling involved but that said:

I think a lot of the problem is you’d bring your new truck into the dealer for a new cabin filter and you’re ok with paying $60 because after all it’s a $60k truck so that seems reasonable enough, but then you bring your old 870 in for a cracked stock and the gunsmith gives you a quote for $300 and you’re up in arms because you can buy an entire new pump action Turkish shotgun for $199.
 
Whether it's cars, guns or any other service, some people are cheap and feel that others should work for them for cheap.

I like to remind people that nobody is forcing them into paying for something they don't want.
 
A trained and experienced gunsmith's time is worth as much as that of any journeyman tradesman such as electrician, carpenter, machinist or mechanic. These days that equates to $30 to $40 per hour, depending on location and a few other factors. If he is operating his own shop he also needs to be paid for this overhead such as property purchase or rent, taxes, business licence, services auch as electricity, heat, etc.,equipment some of which is very expensive, materials. If as a skilled worker he can't make as good a living as the guy that loads your garbage truck, he will go somewhere else or do something else. Don't confuse this gunsmith with the vast numbers of people who do this work or portions of it as a hobby or side line. This guy can work for free if he wants to and you will frequently get your money's worth here. If you need a gunsmith and can't afford a real one maybe you are in the wrong hobby or maybe you should just stick to cheap throw away guns.
 
A trained and experienced gunsmith's time is worth as much as that of any journeyman tradesman such as electrician, carpenter, machinist or mechanic. These days that equates to $30 to $40 per hour, depending on location and a few other factors. If he is operating his own shop he also needs to be paid for this overhead such as property purchase or rent, taxes, business licence, services auch as electricity, heat, etc.,equipment some of which is very expensive, materials. If as a skilled worker he can't make as good a living as the guy that loads your garbage truck, he will go somewhere else or do something else. Don't confuse this gunsmith with the vast numbers of people who do this work or portions of it as a hobby or side line. This guy can work for free if he wants to and you will frequently get your money's worth here. If you need a gunsmith and can't afford a real one maybe you are in the wrong hobby or maybe you should just stick to cheap throw away guns.

I totally agree, I'm licensed heavy equipment and heavy truck mechanic inter provincial. I have no problem paying a professional gunsmith top dollar, but just try and find one,
 
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