If you're referring to my comment - I wasn't saying that at all and you're embellishing my words to make your opinion sound stronger. There was talk from others here about the Terras, I commented on my experience with that model.
Don't hear much about Zeiss scopes anymore. Why?
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If you're referring to my comment - I wasn't saying that at all and you're embellishing my words to make your opinion sound stronger. There was talk from others here about the Terras, I commented on my experience with that model.
Vortex warranty is awesome; Like winning the life insurance lottery, you win but you lose.
Should be on Canadian Air Farce. Folks complaint product is junk cause made in China, eat humble pie cause it is made in Japan. Recall the hatred for Japan in the 70s, Jap Junk era; now we lap up the Honda, Toyota, Canon, Nikon and everything Japan. Seems folks need ways to vent their misdirected anger.
Zeiss didn't do themselves a favor with top end victory v8 line gear toward 600m hunting. Top quality glass match with SFP, 13MRAD on 36mm tube, 2 reticles (xHair and mildot-remember it is SFP). What the heck were they thinking? Drop the 0.05MRAD clicks, go std to .1 for 26MRAD.
Should be on Canadian Air Farce. Folks complaint product is junk cause made in China, eat humble pie cause it is made in Japan. Recall the hatred for Japan in the 70s, Jap Junk era; now we lap up the Honda, Toyota, Canon, Nikon and everything Japan. Seems folks need ways to vent their misdirected anger.
Zeiss didn't do themselves a favor with top end victory v8 line gear toward 600m hunting. Top quality glass match with SFP, 13MRAD on 36mm tube, 2 reticles (xHair and mildot-remember it is SFP). What the heck were they thinking? Drop the 0.05MRAD clicks, go std to .1 for 26MRAD.
Fairly sure the comment wasn't about you. AAMOF found your detailed comment helpful as it was SPECIFIC and MEASUREABLE and not general emotional complaints.
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Wasn't referring to your comment, otherwise I would've quoted you.
That made me chuckle.
Thanks for the confirmation, I just don't wish to imply anything outside of my minimal experience. Cheers
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I can't say enough good about them as a hunting scope. (Conquest HD line anyways) I sometimes think they could have a finer crosshair but that is likely just me. I'm not sure I'll ever try the Victory line.
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Zeiss makes a great product. From 90's-to present. The trouble is, Vortex, Sightron have all upped their games to the point that Zeiss is simply too much $$$ for not enough tangible benefits.
They USED to have some of the best glass going. But competitors have upped their game.
Zeiss is also mired in Y2K... look at their reticle choices. There is NOTHING there that interests me.
Zeiss has lost it when it comes down to what you get for what you pay for.
If they keep on this course, they will be gone in another 10 years.
They USED to have some of the best glass going. But competitors have upped their game.
Zeiss is also mired in Y2K... look at their reticle choices. There is NOTHING there that interests me.
Zeiss has lost it when it comes down to what you get for what you pay for.
If they keep on this course, they will be gone in another 10 years.
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Edit, their scopes might die off, but Zeiss as a company will survive. The scopes are small potatoes compared to their coordinate measuring systems, CNC, and medical equipment sales, and R&D
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Real facts? look at what is on top of rifles today
Zeiss is not what they were. Empirical evidence. Don't need a white paper. I sold my Zeiss for a Sightron, and never regretted it for a minute.So Blah, blah, blah. You are not Trump by any chance???
At least mention top of rifles where? Canada? North America, Europe? Asia? Or is that too much real facts. Zeiss is an international multi-billion dollar business. My next door neighbor's friend's cousin say Zeiss is the best, even said trust me, facts are overrated
At least mention top of rifles where? Canada? North America, Europe? Asia? Or is that too much real facts. Zeiss is an international multi-billion dollar business. My next door neighbor's friend's cousin say Zeiss is the best, even said trust me, facts are overrated
Real facts? look at what is on top of rifles today
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So Blah, blah, blah. You are not Trump by any chance???
At least mention top of rifles where? Canada? North America, Europe? Asia? Or is that too much real facts. Zeiss is an international multi-billion dollar business. My next door neighbor's friend's cousin say Zeiss is the best, even said trust me, facts are overrated
Trump is awesome.
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https://bib.kuleuven.be/files/ebib/jaarverslagen/Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung_1999.pdf
Pg 16 deals with their decline citing the Asian influence.
Take it for what it's worth. Keeping in mind that is the statement for Zeiss and it's subsidiaries. You can see where their sport optics lie in terms of income for the company, and what $$$ are spend for new products there.
And more current.
Consumer optics is b arely mentioned in this more current report.
https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/C...glisch/annual_report_2015_16_long_version.pdf
Pg 16 deals with their decline citing the Asian influence.
Take it for what it's worth. Keeping in mind that is the statement for Zeiss and it's subsidiaries. You can see where their sport optics lie in terms of income for the company, and what $$$ are spend for new products there.
And more current.
Consumer optics is b arely mentioned in this more current report.
https://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/C...glisch/annual_report_2015_16_long_version.pdf
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And what they mention is NOT good news.
The specialty markets for hunting optics, ... stagnated.
A fierce price war left its mark on the market for binoculars.
Notice they refer to their scopes as hunting optics and not rifle scopes.
Hunting optics is not even listed under Vision Care/Consumer Products highlights like binoculars are. Bad sign.
The specialty markets for hunting optics, ... stagnated.
A fierce price war left its mark on the market for binoculars.
Notice they refer to their scopes as hunting optics and not rifle scopes.
Hunting optics is not even listed under Vision Care/Consumer Products highlights like binoculars are. Bad sign.
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Yes. The biggest loser, unfortunately is the consumer. I like Zeiss. When I hear the name, I think German Precision, microfine tolerances, innovation, and things that work 'just so' with tactile precision, etc etc.
When we lose a player like this we all lose one of the things that drives markets to be better, we lose the competition that pushes us to become better.
My last Conquest was a higher mag scope, and the glass was lacking
Compared to a Sightron S3 of same $$$ it was to be blunt, an embarrassment. Even sent back to Zeiss, it came back with 'zere is nozing wrong vis dis skope!'I believe that when a company starts ignoring issues like this, the problem begins. When they rest on their laurels and say 'we have reached the pinnacle' , it is time to fire the guys at the top, and perhaps hire others who will see the need for changes, like listening to what an enthusiast wants.
It is scary that a well-respected, well run company can head this way, but I suppose Zeiss took a look at the books and said 'we make more money elsewhere now, so we can afford to let our founding lines die'
It sucks.
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What is most telling is the first report, I am sure Jerry from Mystic Precision would confirm that timeline in their financials is when Vortex and Sightron started getting aggressive with marketing and listening to customer demands.
And in 13 short years, because of their lack of innovation/interest/listening to consumer needs, they slit their own throats, a self fulfilling prophesy.
What could have been neat is if Zeiss had gone into bed with Either Vortex or Sightron.
About to replace a SIII 8-32x with a Victory 4.5-35x. Hopefully the glass is as good as they say it is.
Can see why a multi-billion dollar corp see the tiny consumer markets as being not worthy. It cost a lot of money to keep all those PHD/Dr directors on payroll.
Would suck to see Zeiss gone. Didn't they learn anything before selling off Hensoldt.
Can see why a multi-billion dollar corp see the tiny consumer markets as being not worthy. It cost a lot of money to keep all those PHD/Dr directors on payroll.
Would suck to see Zeiss gone. Didn't they learn anything before selling off Hensoldt.
Yes. The biggest loser, unfortunately is the consumer. I like Zeiss. When I hear the name, I think German Precision, microfine tolerances, innovation, and things that work 'just so' with tactile precision, etc etc.
When we lose a player like this we all lose one of the things that drives markets to be better, we lose the competition that pushes us to become better.
My last Conquest was a higher mag scope, and the glass was lacking
I believe that when a company starts ignoring issues like this, the problem begins. When they rest on their laurels and say 'we have reached the pinnacle' , it is time to fire the guys at the top, and perhaps hire others who will see the need for changes, like listening to what an enthusiast wants.
It is scary that a well-respected, well run company can head this way, but I suppose Zeiss took a look at the books and said 'we make more money elsewhere now, so we can afford to let our founding lines die'
It sucks.
Hensoldt is suppose to have great turrets... Didn't Zeiss learn anything while owning them???
"Hunting optics" is a telltale sign they weren't listening to their customers. Two reticles on their V8 line, NOT listening. Great optics only goes so far.
"Hunting optics" is a telltale sign they weren't listening to their customers. Two reticles on their V8 line, NOT listening. Great optics only goes so far.
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My biggest complaint with Zeiss? They have the capability to be back on top! They have the tools to get there, they have the people to do it too!! but they lack the will, probably a byproduct of corporate beaureaucracy to get the job done.
Makes be quite mad to be honest. Competition improves the breed. Losing a player can have big effects on the remaining optical players in the industry. They can relax a little once they absorb the market share that Zeiss abandoned.
