Dot sights: Aimpont VS Trijicon

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I've been wanting to upgrade from the Vortex Sparc that's on my Tavor. I was originally planning on getting a ACOG or Elcan, but with Christmas here I simply don't have the scrilla to spend $1500 + on myself. And I don't really need the magnification. I may still get one eventually, but for now I just want to get rid of that sparc. It's been 100% reliable but I think the Tavor deserves better.
I'm thinking pretty hard on the Aimpoint micro, but I was wondering what else I should consider. The Trijicon refex is pretty appealing, simply because it doesn't require a battery. But from what I've read they all have a fairly large dot. I like the Aimpoint because I can get a 2moa dot, and I don't really want to go any bigger than that. Another thing I'm concerned about is I heard the tritium in the reflex sights only last about 10-12 years till it needs to be replaced, and that its quite expensive to do. But the fact it doesn't need a battery makes it pretty dam tempting.
Is there anything else I should consider? And any of you guys who have used the Aimpoint micro or Trijicon reflex (1x24) how do you like it?
 
The need for a battery in the T-1 is irrelevant IMO due to the advances in technology. A fresh battery will last you 5 years, which is more than adequate compared to tritium lasting 12 and then having to be sent away. I own two T-1s and they are fantastic. I haven't tried a Trijicon reflex but I have used the mepro light M21 and it was decent but the dots in reflex sights are generally larger and not able to be as bright as an electronic dot in certain lighting conditions.
 
Did a comparison shoot a while back. Both held zero and shot fine.

Reflex failed when dropped in snow or mud. Could not get fingers in the "trench" to clear the source.

Reflex failed shooting in low light at illuminated targets - would not go bright enough.

I have 3 Aimpoint sights (T1 and M4) at home and used lots at work. Aimpoint gets my vote.
 
iv ran eotech exps trijicon rmr and the micro h1 on the tavor the eotech works great love the 1 moa dot and clear glass i just didn't like the look of it on the tar too blocky the aimpoint h1 cranks really bright on a snowy day compact big plus on the battery life the trijicon rmr i have the dual illuminated is so compact and looks the best the glass has a blueish green tint to it more so than the aimpoint the rmr is not that bright indoors but sufficient otherwise outside its it nice and bright i hunt and go to outdoor range so it is not an issue to me after running all these optics i stuck an acog ta33 and called it a day waiting for a mount and the rmr is going on top of it
 
iv ran eotech exps trijicon rmr and the micro h1 on the tavor the eotech works great love the 1 moa dot and clear glass i just didn't like the look of it on the tar too blocky the aimpoint h1 cranks really bright on a snowy day compact big plus on the battery life the trijicon rmr i have the dual illuminated is so compact and looks the best the glass has a blueish green tint to it more so than the aimpoint the rmr is not that bright indoors but sufficient otherwise outside its it nice and bright i hunt and go to outdoor range so it is not an issue to me after running all these optics i stuck an acog ta33 and called it a day waiting for a mount and the rmr is going on top of it

That's quite the paragraph.
 
Ive run lots of qualityoptics and trijicons have always disapointed me in some way or another.

Aimpoint wins on this one in my book.

Elcan specter DR is best all around optics, but it's pricey, I run it on my tavor and it's never coming off.
 
I have an Aimpoint PRO on my Tavor and I am very happy with it. I think it came to 500$ with taxes and shipping to my door. I was pleasantly surprised by the level of accuracy I can get from the dot. I can keep it in the A-Zone on an IPSC target out to 300 Meters.
 
I did some shopping for a RDS this year so I'm hoping I can help.

For a non-magnified red dot, I'd check out an Eotech (I know it's technically not a RDS but it serves the same role) as well as the Aimpoint. Compared to the Aimpoint, Eotechs have a larger "window" and some people prefer the reticle. Traditional Eotech reticles have a 1 MOA dot (in practice, 1 MOA vs. 2 MOA makes little difference for a non-magnified optic) surrounded by a 65 MOA ring which supposedly speeds up target acquisition. Some of the newer Eotechs have extra 1 MOA dots to account for bullet drop at longer ranges. FWIW, Eotechs and Aimpoints are both standard issue for the U.S. military and I think the Eotech 553 was recently ordered by CF so they're both practically indestructible.

The biggest difference between the two (as mentioned in some earlier posts) is Eotech battery life is measured in hundreds of hours (my EXPS3-0 comes in at around 600 hours) while Aimpoints are measured in tens of thousands of hours (50,000 hours for the Micro). If aesthetics and weight matter, the Micro is tiny and a lot of people think it looks more streamlined. The Eotech's a lot blockier but weight/size-wise I don't find the EXPS to be too bad but it's definitely not in the same class as the Micro. As far as brightness, on full intensity you can point either into the sun and not have the dot wash out (unlike your eyes). One last point - Eotechs have integral mounts but not all Aimpoints will (you may have to buy the ring and mount separately). The Micro has an integral mount but I don't think it's capable of co-witnessing with standard height iron sights out of the box so you may still have to buy a mount if you still want to use your BUIS (any Eotech with the QD mount should co-witness, not sure about models without QD mounts). This might be something you have to consider if you're on a budget.

I'll likely be getting one for my Tavor very soon. What is the battery life like?

Elcan's official stats say minimum 300 hours.
 
I did some shopping for a RDS this year so I'm hoping I can help.

For a non-magnified red dot, I'd check out an Eotech (I know it's technically not a RDS but it serves the same role) as well as the Aimpoint. Compared to the Aimpoint, Eotechs have a larger "window" and some people prefer the reticle. Traditional Eotech reticles have a 1 MOA dot (in practice, 1 MOA vs. 2 MOA makes little difference for a non-magnified optic) surrounded by a 65 MOA ring which supposedly speeds up target acquisition. Some of the newer Eotechs have extra 1 MOA dots to account for bullet drop at longer ranges. FWIW, Eotechs and Aimpoints are both standard issue for the U.S. military and I think the Eotech 553 was recently ordered by CF so they're both practically indestructible.

The biggest difference between the two (as mentioned in some earlier posts) is Eotech battery life is measured in hundreds of hours (my EXPS3-0 comes in at around 600 hours) while Aimpoints are measured in tens of thousands of hours (50,000 hours for the Micro). If aesthetics and weight matter, the Micro is tiny and a lot of people think it looks more streamlined. The Eotech's a lot blockier but weight/size-wise I don't find the EXPS to be too bad but it's definitely not in the same class as the Micro. As far as brightness, on full intensity you can point either into the sun and not have the dot wash out (unlike your eyes). One last point - Eotechs have integral mounts but not all Aimpoints will (you may have to buy the ring and mount separately). The Micro has an integral mount but I don't think it's capable of co-witnessing with standard height iron sights out of the box so you may still have to buy a mount if you still want to use your BUIS (any Eotech with the QD mount should co-witness, not sure about models without QD mounts). This might be something you have to consider if you're on a budget.



Elcan's official stats say minimum 300 hours.

When the CF bought the EOTech, they were not yet owned by L3. I had one on my first tour in Afghanistan and it worked okay, but all four other ones we had went down for various reasons - two needed new battery compartments, two had the magic just leave. On my second tour my EOTech died within a month and I finished the tour with a Comp M4, no issues, no battery change. We use RDS for most courses now and the EOTech's come loose, the Comp M4 and M3 and PRO have torque knobs and stay on and keep zero.

EOTech claims to have improved this with the current production, but I have not used any of those yet.

The US army, most recently, bought only Aimpoint. The last contract was for over 500K sights. One million in service with US army alone.

EOTechs zero tends to drift with temperature as the laser refracts differently - the collimating hologram is supposed to stop this in theory, but we found differently over the last ten years particularly in the fall with morning frost and warm afternoons.

The EO reticle is nice - it helps avoid cant. A small level on the rail also helps with this on an Aimpoint.

The window makes no difference - they are both collimator sights and can be fired with both eyes open or as occluded eye gunsights. Both will make yucky reticles if you have astigmatism bit shooters have reported to me that the EOTech is worse.

Did a test with 6 of each. Fire a group, partner screws with dials, fire a group, measure and adjust by those measurements. All the Aimpoints were bang on, the EOtechs had a large variance. EOTech adjustments are exposed and have alight detent. Aimpoint adjustments are covered and have a positive detent.

Last year the Aimpoint rep did that test with a micro on and SA80. The he took it off and flung it over his shoulder onto a concrete pad and then put it back on and fired a group on zero. It's on my shotgun now. Same battery, small dent on one corner.

Micro has risers available to co-witnes. Bottom third or centre. Comp and PRO have the same. Pretty sure you will need one anyway unless you have no cheeks. OST has a few aftermarket ones I think.

Both EOtech and Aimpoint have magnifiers. I prefer the twist off Aimpoint mount and the EOTech magnifier is better.
 
I like everything abut my Aimpoint micro better than my old EXPS3-0 except for the reticle. The Eotech gives you a hold-over for up-close shooting, where the Aimpoint you just have to guess. Now, it's generally only about 2 inches or so, but it's nice to have.

Honestly, EVERYTHING other than that is better on an Aimpoint. Micro T1 weighs 105 grams with the mount. Eotech EXPS weighs 317 grams (3 times as much).
 
Get aimpoint PRO or micro H1...you will not be disappointed.

This. Just had this argument with myself and after much research between the Eotech xps2/3 and the Aimpoint pro the pro won hands down. Just zeroed it in yesterday and ill never look back. Im sure you will have a great experience with the H-1 or T-1 to I just didn't like the size of them, I felt like I would break it lol.
 
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