Dot sights: Aimpont VS Trijicon

[C77]

I like to use the big ones because the frame of the micro covers the area closer to the target. It is the same effect of staring through peep aperture sight, the frame of the rear sight is covering up target area. I would think areas immediate to the target are more interesting.

I will say that most military go with the big one because of these factors, and the fact that AA battery is everywhere and no one wants to inventory CR123.

There is no eye relief for a micro - so just mount it forward and shoot with both eyes open - peep sight feeling goes away.

The Comp M4S is more rugged in drop tests than the micro, the battery switch is easier to use and the battery cover is harder to cross thread or fail to tighten properly.

The Micro is nit bad though - still better than most small scopes out there.

 

[jlomein]

Both will make yucky reticles if you have astigmatism bit shooters have reported to me that the EOTech is worse.

From your experience, do you have any optic/sight recommendations for shooters with astigmatism, besides iron sights? I had a 4MOA Micro H1. The dot looked like a big asymmetrical firework exploding with my astigmatism.

Have you heard if laser/Lasik eye surgery helps? I currently use contact lenses designed for astigmatism.

 

[barrett50cal]

The micro has some limitation - under certain indoor light condition, the circuit board is reflected and showed up in the sight picture. Kinda funny but distracting as well. The intensity dial is also a bit harder to use with thick winter gloves. Of course, it cannot be submerged as deep as the M4, but that is pretty irrelevant to 99.75% of the users. If I am submerged at 45ft, i am dead.

I like to use the big ones because the frame of the micro covers the area closer to the target. It is the same effect of staring through peep aperture sight, the frame of the rear sight is covering up target area. I would think areas immediate to the target are more interesting.

I will say that most military go with the big one because of these factors, and the fact that AA battery is everywhere and no one wants to inventory CR123.

For the record and to prevent confusion, just pointing out that you meant CR2032......

 

[BenL]

From your experience, do you have any optic/sight recommendations for shooters with astigmatism, besides iron sights? I had a 4MOA Micro H1. The dot looked like a big asymmetrical firework exploding with my astigmatism.

Have you heard if laser/Lasik eye surgery helps? I currently use contact lenses designed for astigmatism.

I have astigmatism in both eyes and with the correct contact lenses, I can use my EXPs3-0 pretty efficiently. Now, it's a 65moa circle with a 1moa centre dot so its not the same as using a 4moa dot-only sight. Also, the model I have the circle and dot aren't "sharp", the outlines of both that is. EoTech offers sight with dots / circle line that are shart that may help you as well.

IMO the 65moa circle is way over done for use on a .223 platform, but I got it used (NIB pretty much) on the EE for way less than it sells new ($850 I believe) so I couldn't really pass up on it. Best would be for you to try out a few in person first before committing to the investment. As much as I really like it, should I see a 1-6x glass come up for sale in the EE (NF, USO and the likes) I may very well consider picking it up as a replacement for the rifle the EoTech currently sits on.

As for Lazik surgery - my wife had it done 2 years ago and it did fix her astigmatism. I will also be going to get my eyes done as well eventually. I'd say that 7-10 years ago the technology wasn't up to par to fix it, but it's come a long ways since then.

 

[C77]

I had lasik before my second tour. I could use the EO reticle pretty good on the first tour and but it noticeably improved after. My prescription before was very slight - just enough to need glasses. For me that was enough to mean dust between lenses so I got my eyes zapped.

For the courses I teach we recommend to people that can't get a clear sight picture (after they clean the lenses) to use a magnified optic with a focus adjustment at the ocular end. I have a 1-4 vortex on my "back up" AR and it works great. On the higher end is the Leupy MK 4 CQT. Good glass and adjustable focus.

On that note Elcan's have no adjustment for this and don't provide much of an alternative.

From your experience, do you have any optic/sight recommendations for shooters with astigmatism, besides iron sights? I had a 4MOA Micro H1. The dot looked like a big asymmetrical firework exploding with my astigmatism.

Have you heard if laser/Lasik eye surgery helps? I currently use contact lenses designed for astigmatism.

 

[Gunnerlove]

From your experience, do you have any optic/sight recommendations for shooters with astigmatism, besides iron sights? I had a 4MOA Micro H1. The dot looked like a big asymmetrical firework exploding with my astigmatism.

Have you heard if laser/Lasik eye surgery helps? I currently use contact lenses designed for astigmatism.

I had Intralase SBK performed in 2010. I went from -6 and -5.75 to seeing 20/15 in both eyes, as well as saying bye bye to my astigmatism. It was the best $4k I ever spent. Contact lenses did the job for years, but they were always a concern and a liability.

I have no complaints regarding using any optical sights other than Eotrashes suck, and are proof the supply system hates us.

 

[mikethebike]

I had Intralase SBK performed in 2010. I went from -6 and -5.75 to seeing 20/15 in both eyes, as well as saying bye bye to my astigmatism. It was the best $4k I ever spent. Contact lenses did the job for years, but they were always a concern and a liability.

I have no complaints regarding using any optical sights other than Eotrashes suck, and are proof the supply system hates us.

I've been thinking about laser eye surgery as well, but the problem is that my eyes really arent that bad, they sure are not 20/20 but I can see and function well without wearing my glasses. That being said I wish they were 20/20, I would do so much better with my pistol, I'm just a wimp and I don't want to waste vacation days on recovery because I'm a cheapo.

 

[saskcop]

Between the two mentioned, I would definitely go Aimpoint. That being said, I have an Aimpoint and a number of other red dots. The Hensoldt RSA is by far my favorite. The glass on that thing is unbelievable and the auto dim feature is the deal maker in itself.

 

[Crazyest Canuck]

RMR Green dot or the Miro T-1...
"I like the RMR for piggy backing on scopes and I like the micro as a stand alone feature."
In this sentence will lay your answer.

 

[Madmardigan]

I'm definetly going Aimpoint, just not sure what modle yet. I've also been looking into the EOtech magnifiers. Is there a pictular Aimpoint modle that will work better with a magnifier? Or do you think the magnifiers are gimmicky? I tried my friends Noveske that has a aimpoint (not sure what modle) with a aimpoint 3x magnifier. I like the set up, except that when looking through the magnifier it distorted the dot. Is that normal?

 

[Jamie]

well for me I would take a good 1/4 or 1/6 or if you got the funds a 1/8 optic over any RDS and magnifier

keep the RDS as a true no BS fast shootin som##### optic for 200 meters and in

 

[Madmardigan]

well for me I would take a good 1/4 or 1/6 or if you got the funds a 1/8 optic over any RDS and magnifier

keep the RDS as a true no BS fast shootin som##### optic for 200 meters and in

I've looked at the elcan, and no doubt it's the cats meow. I just don't have the scrilla for the DR. I gave the elcan 4x some thought, but I've read some bad reviews on it. I also considered the vortex 1x4, but I don't really like way scopes look on the Tavor, and again, the cost.
The reason I'm thinking Aimpoint is because I can add the magnifier later on when I have some more money. I know, I should just wait till I can afford the DR, but I'm far too impatient. Plus, spending $2000 on a optic is a hard pill to swallow. I could buy a pretty decent firearm for that kind of money.

 

[TRG-42]

I'm definetly going Aimpoint, just not sure what modle yet. I've also been looking into the EOtech magnifiers. Is there a pictular Aimpoint modle that will work better with a magnifier? Or do you think the magnifiers are gimmicky? I tried my friends Noveske that has a aimpoint (not sure what modle) with a aimpoint 3x magnifier. I like the set up, except that when looking through the magnifier it distorted the dot. Is that normal?

No , I don't think its "gimmicky". I feel it works way better than a Trijicon with RMR piggyback , or a 1-4 magnified scope

Having said that, I much prefer a TA31 or TA11 ACOG with Donut recticle. I don't shoot stuff up close where seconds count and I find the ACOG fast enough ( BAC principal with both eyes open )

The Aimpoint magnifier does not distort the dot. Actually I love running the magnifier with a Trijicon Tri Power with the Chevron. With the magnifier you still get precise aiming point from the chevron tip . Works great with Eotech as well

If you are going 3X magnifier just make sure that you choose the mounting system so it all works well together

For example neither the Larue Tactical "Tall" or "Short" magnifier mount lines up perfectly with a Larue T1 Aimpoint mount. Works fine just a bit off center

The Larue straight up , and cantilever mount for Aimpoint M2 , M3 , PRO , C3 etc all have matching height with Larue flip mount

The Larue Aimpoint M4 mount and the Eotech mounts all line up perfectly with the Aimpoint magnifier in flip mount

If you plan to use magnifier then choose Aimpoint with 2MOA size dot. All Aimpoints will work great with magnifier in Larue flip mount. Exception is the M4S ( low battery compartment ) . The knob is hard to reach with the magnifier in front of it . I actually prefer this since I just leave the thing on all the time. I never play with the on off intensity knob

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[Master-G]

From your experience, do you have any optic/sight recommendations for shooters with astigmatism, besides iron sights? I had a 4MOA Micro H1. The dot looked like a big asymmetrical firework exploding with my astigmatism.

Both my 2MOA CompM4S and 4MOA H1 looked to me to have noticeable flares from my astigmatism but the 3.5MOA Trijicon RMR I've got now has a much more rounded dot to my eyes.

 

[Rhutch]

I have 2 T1's, a PRO, a Hensdolt, an Acog with RMR, an Elcan Spectre DR and a Mepro. Bang for buck I'd go T1's, if you can swing a Spectre DR it is very sweet. When they get some FDE TAvors back in stock I will be putting a DR on it as my second Tavor.