Double feed in SKS kills operator

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Originally Posted by firemachine69
PROVE and ACTS
They don't exist without reason!
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Do they have that in the States, though?
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They do not have mandatory Shooter Safety Education down in the States.

Anybody can buy a gun without any licensing requirements, so it is conceivable that accidents will be more frequent due to operator ignorance.
 
easyrider604 said:
They do not have mandatory Shooter Safety Education down in the States.

Anybody can buy a gun without any licensing requirements, so it is conceivable that accidents will be more frequent due to operator ignorance.
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Which is what the lawyer seems to be going after.

The manual may or may not have been shipped with the weapon, and the manual may or may not have included a comprehensive process to clear a failure.

If it did not, and the shooter was injured by a foreseeable event like this, that is likley grounds for compensation.

The other approach that could also be taken applies if you were using a range gun or a friends gun, and were not taught how to clear the action in the event of a failure.

The standard tactic in all lawsuits is to Name EVERYONE. It is not that the lawyer is looking for compensation from all parties, but they are removing the possibility for any one or more parties to deflect blame and liability to the next guy.

I.e. No manual was supplied with the rifle. Owner (or thier family) says they couldn't obtain one from either party. Dealer says the manufacturer failed to provide it. Manufacturer says the dealer failed to ship it.

Who F#@%#$ up?

And it is not specific to this case. The same principle is applied to most suits.
 
+1 about suing Norinco... I think that's retarded; would this guy have read the MANUAL? Who here reads the manuals... and if you do, who reads the paragraphs at the front that say "Warning: Don't shoot other people, etc."

Some people lose limbs using power tools. Some people lose eyes to chemicals... it's life and no one said life is fair.

My condolences, but seriously... suing Norinco is the reason why we have guns with useless integral locks.

Accidents happen, this one being from carelessness / inexperience. Sad, but at least no innocent bystanders were hurt/killed.
 
CommonLawyer said:
How does this jibe with Tap, Rack, Bang?
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Not speaking from experience... but I think it's the "Life before Limb" mentality.

That is, if you are in a firefight of somekind (your life is in immediate danger), you do what you do as fast as possible and hope that your guardian angel is going to extract that unfired round. :)

When target shooting however, there is not excuse not to take all precaustions when a firearm fails.
 
Lets just all learn from this please!!!! I would hate for someone that read this post have the same occurrence. Please unload, keep muzzle control, after a couple minutes of the shell not going off open bolt and clear the jam carefully.
 
You'd think there would be a link or actual information other than "an attorney named Travis told me". I'm not saying the blog is BS, but where's the proof?

Travis the attorney writes like a 12 year old:

I am an attorney. A shooter had a misfire. He did not remove the magazine prior to working the action. He tried to inspect the breech and the action slipped out of his hand. This allowed the tip of the round from the magazine to act as a firing pin and discharge the round in the chamber. He was killed when part of the casing of the round in the chamber went into his chest. This could have been avoided if he had dropped the clip prior to pulling the action back to inspect. Some of the manuals you have on this site explain that one should remove the magazine prior to pulling the action back. I am trying to find a manual that was produced with the sale of an SKS. You have great manuals but they should accompany the sale to inform the user of this risk and how to avoid the risk. The shooter in my case had earplugs. He put the safey on. He had the gun pointer down range. Does anyone have an knowledge of this happening, i.e. a round from the magazine striking a round in the chamber and creating an accidental discharge?
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Hate to be the first one to bring it up after 4 pages...


This is not a case of negligence by the shooter. This guys was using a 30 round detachable magazine. A standard (non-d) SKS, using a standard bolt, will not allow the mag to be removed without opening up the action first!!!! :eek: The Mag feed lips will get stuck between the grooves on the bolt sides. This is why the SKS-D uses a different bolt which has those machined out to allow mag to go in or out without opening up the action.


There is a technical flaw here (not saying anybody should be used, user is responsible in the end) which lies not with the gun but with the mag. Removing the mag requires 2 hands and usually a foot or other weird move is involved in there as well. Due to this issue, such an accident can easily happen.


Many users have decided to ditch their detachable mags on their SKS, unfortunately for this guy, he did not.
 
Hmmmmmm well I just went downstairs to try your theory about getting the mag out. Well with my right hand I open the bolt and pop the mag release, left hand pulls the mag out. I did this 5 times just to make sure the first wasn't a fluke. Maybe you should hit the gym...;) Sorry standard common sense was lacking here and that is what it boils down to.
 
It is evident that without proper bolt modification, use of aftermarket 30 rd magazine can cause accidental discharge.

There is a How-to (modify bolt) in this SKS Basics sticky:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81240&page=3

Having to open the bolt, when the chamber is loaded, and keeping it open while manipulating the mag release and extracting the magazine, is an awkward process for many of us with less developed manual dexterity. There is a high potential for an Accidental Discharge.

The victim may actually have been trying to drop the mag when it happened. We'll never know.
 
The operator could have removed the magazine floorplate, which in essence is the same as actuating the mag release on a stock SKS; all of this while the bolt was forward and the rifle pointed safely downrange. Pulling the bolt to the rear, placing one's thumb on the round in the magazine and pressing down, while operating the mag release will also drop an aftermarket mag. The bolt cannot close with a thumb in the way. Think of it as loading a stripper clip without the clip. Or the victim could have removed the top cover, recoil spring, and bolt/carrier.

This is an example of why a bolt mod is needed if aftermarket mags are used.

He paid for a mistake with his life. That could be anyone. We should learn from this tragedy. As in the words from a Hollywood movie, "Let his death mean something."

buckmeister
 
The double feed accident problem is as old as the 1888 German comission rifle. Mauser corrected the problem with his long extractor, starting with the 1893 Mauser. The better books dealing with German rifles, usually mention the injuries caused by double feeding with the type of extractor found on the 1888 comission rifle.
No manual, for any piece of equipment, can cover all the stupid things people are capable of with any item.
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