Double or Nothin'... All In! Waterloo & Alliston IPSC Match Video for Sept 17th, 2011

The ROC said:
It was a long day but a FUN one. Big Thank You to both clubs for hosting matches that were both fun and challenging. Thanks to all the RO's, RM, MD and everyone else for making it possible.
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And big THANK YOU for making these great videos! I shot the same matches, so now I can analyze all the mistakes I made! :D

Stage 4 at Alliston was a killer for me. I wasn't ready mentally - I was on deck but the guy in front of me wasn't ready so I had to do it. Also, I stepped on (over?) the line and earned 2 procedurals. :mad: The line was barely visible from all the traffic that was there before me. They painted it fresh afterwards.

I'm not overweight but I can hardly call myself physically fit. I was out of breath by the end of that stage.
 
2.1.6

Interesting. Looks like most matches are in violation then.

All it takes is one competitor confined to a mobility device.
 
I knew that there was a specific rule......

I just did not know it was so early

1.1.2. Quality
The value of an IPSC match is determined by the quality of the challenge
presented in the course design. Courses of fire must be designed primarily
to test a competitor’s IPSC shooting skills, not their physical abilities.
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Can you honestly say that this was the case wtih the stage in question?

1.1.3. Balance
Accuracy, Power and Speed are equivalent elements of IPSC shooting, and
are expressed in the Latin words "Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas" (“DVC”). A
properly balanced course of fire will depend largely upon the nature of the
challenges presented therein, however, courses must be designed, and IPSC
matches must be conducted in such a way, as to evaluate these elements
equally.
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Unless the rest of the match was entirely long range shooting this stage blows the doors off of the balance
 
aridan said:
The line was barely visible from all the traffic that was there before me. They painted it fresh afterwards.

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Hmmmmmm, no way that those procedurals would stand (in an IPSC match at least)

2.2.1.4. Fault Lines should be constructed of wood or other suitable
materials, they must rise at least 2 centimeters above ground
level, they must be a minimum of 1 meter in length, and they
should be of a length sufficient to cover the areas most likely to
be used by competitors. In any case, Fault Lines are deemed to
extend to infinity. Fault lines must be fixed firmly in place to
ensure they remain consistent throughout the match.
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I would also like to say that I am not trying to aportion blame.

From my recollection the Alliston club is relatively new to IPSC and thus is apt to make newbie mistakes when it comes to stage design and or match managment.

I can honestly shake my head at some of the things I tried to do in the early days at EESA matches.

(ie trying to run 10 people through 9 stages in 3 hours)
 
stormbringer said:
Hmmmmmm, no way that those procedurals would stand (in an IPSC match at least)
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I thought the same thing, we put 1X2" planks on the floor even for simple mini-matches at our club. Maybe they painted fault lines at Alliston because shooters were required to step over the lines to get to a handle they had to pull? :confused: Either way, when so many guys stampede over a painted line, it is bound to disappear.

Yes, I felt like sh*t, but I like competing at Alliston, and didn't want the RO to think I'm a whiner. This is my 1st season, so I'll keep quiet until I earn the right to speak. :D
 
stormbringer said:
Wow?!!

Really>?

Honestly?

I will give you a moment to think about this post.

Do you really.............I mean REALLY want to go here?
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I do recall seeing a competitor arriving at a match with a wheel chair as our squad was done and we were leaving. Which match and where I can't remember. I wonder how it turned out for him.
 
Quigley said:
All kidding aside...it would really benefit you to familiarize yourself with the rules...

You obviously enjoy the sport...
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I re familiarize the rules once in a while. I enjoy the sport and shooting but not to the point of pointing out every little fault a match may have. If I should. Then I'm guilt. Other than that I want to shoot and have fun.
 
In all do respect to all those with great knowledge down to the last paragraph.

Alliston will alway fill up in under 5 mins maybe 10 with a waiting list. That in itself says alot. And we are all repeat customers. they give what we want and like. Having a fun time shooting and creating COF that challenges us and causes debate.

Cheers
 
The ROC said:
I re familiarize the rules once in a while. I enjoy the sport and shooting but not to the point of pointing out every little fault a match may have. If I should. Then I'm guilt. Other than that I want to shoot and have fun.
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It has nothing to do with pointing out match faults...

Also...don't assume the guy with the little yellow box knows all the rules...and always makes the right call...
 
The ROC said:
I do recall seeing a competitor arriving at a match with a wheel chair as our squad was done and we were leaving. Which match and where I can't remember. I wonder how it turned out for him.
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I am betting that he had a great time......

I am also betting (ok hoping) that said activity was done within the rule set.

Which.......it appears might shock you has rules to deal with that exact thing. I know having used those very rules myself to deal with a competitor in that exact situation.

Like I have said from the start.........that stage looked like a hoot to shoot.

That however is not the issue.
What is the issue is we are supposed to be shooting IPSC. IPSC has rules (not all of which I agree with btw) as such we should endeavor to stay within the rules. Otherwise.........well otherwise it just is not IPSC.

I did not shoot the match in question instead I shot 2 Multigun matches in the USA that had just as much or more running around.........but the trick is everyone KNEW that it was not IPSC (Or USPSA for that matter).
 
Thanks for your comments guys.
If this stage was testing physical abilities only please shoot matches in Germany, Czech and see what kind of course of fire they have approved for LIII.
In Canada, speaking in general terms only, IPSC is less athletic then in Europe. Thus I am not surprise with comments of my colleagues. For me what it matters in case like this, is if the stage would be legal or not for IPSC. I found it as a good stage and my firing ratio was 2.5 sec per shot and I am far from being called fast in this game.
Thanks again for comments. I will pass thisto my IPSC coordinator.

Peter
 
PeterPan said:
If this stage was testing physical abilities only please shoot matches in Germany, Czech and see what kind of course of fire they have approved for LIII.
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Who said "only"?

There was certainly shooting involved...........I mean they were shooting guns right?

ergo there was a component of shooting skill required.

Where the problem lies is in the amount and the balance (or lack thereof)
 
I noticed that too.

O well my secret is out. It's all the rice I eat. Plus we have that Asian age factor. Add 10 to 15 years to what you guess the persons age.

Plus wearing ###y pants like I did helps reduce the appearance of deep or fine lines.
 
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