Double Rifle with a Single Trigger Question

Something to keep in mind too, is the bulk of folk buy a DR to go to Africa with, and hunt the Big 5, so, a lot of the discussion is based on that application, or they want to shoot the bigbore old NE cartridges in them. Dry firing old doubles or bolts and breaking pins was a fairly common issue due to the way they did the interface of the pin and receiver, so they say, they claim it has been redesigned and rectified over the last 50-75 yrs or so, and write it off as not being an issue on newer guns. Haven't really seen that discussed much on any newer guns. Easy enough to build a round for dry firing that probably won't result in broken pins, did that for my 30R.. My Valmet o/u with SST used to fire on one bbl only, if you didn't lube the bbl switching anvil gizmo in it, it'd let you know by way of doing that, had to pull the trigger assy to get at it, did that on the hood of my truck a couple of times.
Really the only DR's I'd absolutely avoid are the "dremel tool" Sabatti's from about 15 yrs ago and back probably 10 yrs, Cabelas imported a batch that had to be re-regulated, the importer did it with a Dremel on the muzzle, some worked OK, bulk didn't. Think it was JJ Perrodeau in Texas had a method to fix that for a flat price, if it wasn't hime, he knows who did it. Some interesting discussions on that around at the time.
Have heard of a few Merkel 140's breaking triggers, haven't seen a good definition of how/why it happened, also lots of discussion of people doubling them, predominantly seemed to be the operator.
If you want to read some interesting stuff, do a Google search for "MacD37 on Accurate Reloading" , can likely change that to Africa Hunting as well, pretty sure he posted on there a lot too, it'll lead you to lots of discussions about DR's, and some other knowledgeable folk who chimed in on them.
 
iron cat said:
To put things in perspective, that would be over the course of about 50 years when I realized my M12 pin was broken.
The neat thing about the Model 12 is that the break behind a shoukd that thd pin has , so they will still operate but in a chain reaction sort of way. The broken pin will not fall out of the breach block.
Makes for pretty slow lock time though!
Cat
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Ha! I bet that would slow the lock time down, and also give you pause to wonder what happened when disassembling and broken pieces of metal come falling out of the action.
 
Really not too sure just how much things lower down, I know Art Blatt noted in his book tgat he checked his when his tim8 g went off and he started missing clays while trap shooting .
The pieces stay intact, the only way to tell is to open the action and while holding the gun muzzle down, eyeballing the bolt face to see if the firing pin is protruding .
If it is, YUP! Broken pin🙂
I shot one for a few years before checking it !LOL
Cat
 
209jones said:
Something to keep in mind too, is the bulk of folk buy a DR to go to Africa with, and hunt the Big 5, so, a lot of the discussion is based on that application, or they want to shoot the bigbore old NE cartridges in them. Dry firing old doubles or bolts and breaking pins was a fairly common issue due to the way they did the interface of the pin and receiver, so they say, they claim it has been redesigned and rectified over the last 50-75 yrs or so, and write it off as not being an issue on newer guns. Haven't really seen that discussed much on any newer guns. Easy enough to build a round for dry firing that probably won't result in broken pins, did that for my 30R.. My Valmet o/u with SST used to fire on one bbl only, if you didn't lube the bbl switching anvil gizmo in it, it'd let you know by way of doing that, had to pull the trigger assy to get at it, did that on the hood of my truck a couple of times.
Really the only DR's I'd absolutely avoid are the "dremel tool" Sabatti's from about 15 yrs ago and back probably 10 yrs, Cabelas imported a batch that had to be re-regulated, the importer did it with a Dremel on the muzzle, some worked OK, bulk didn't. Think it was JJ Perrodeau in Texas had a method to fix that for a flat price, if it wasn't hime, he knows who did it. Some interesting discussions on that around at the time.
Have heard of a few Merkel 140's breaking triggers, haven't seen a good definition of how/why it happened, also lots of discussion of people doubling them, predominantly seemed to be the operator.
If you want to read some interesting stuff, do a Google search for "MacD37 on Accurate Reloading" , can likely change that to Africa Hunting as well, pretty sure he posted on there a lot too, it'll lead you to lots of discussions about DR's, and some other knowledgeable folk who chimed in on them.
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That's good info on the barrel switching do-hicky needing lube; that must be a product of a rifle getting a bit more exposed to the elements more than your average over/under shotgun which sees trap range on a blue bird day and maybe the duck pond or two.

Also good info on the Sabattis. I had not considered them in my search since it seems like only Marstar deals in them as a special order item rather than stocking them. If I could actually put one in my paw before pulling out the card, I would feel better about taking the plunge.
 
iron cat said:
Really not too sure just how much things lower down, I know Art Blatt noted in his book tgat he checked his when his tim8 g went off and he started missing clays while trap shooting .
The pieces stay intact, the only way to tell is to open the action and while holding the gun muzzle down, eyeballing the bolt face to see if the firing pin is protruding .
If it is, YUP! Broken pin🙂
I shot one for a few years before checking it !LOL
Cat
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Well in a way that's a wonderful surprise; a prefect excuse for missing clays with no known start date.
 
It is a quality looking item but I am not sure about the wear and tear on these. My understanding is that these are sourced from European owners who are limited on the number of firearms that they can own, which to me means someone chose to get rid of it over other guns when, for most it would be the crowning jewel of the collection. Thus there is an increased chance it might not be as functional or in good of shape as hoped. ...just my best reasoning.
 
OP, there is logic on both sides regarding the single and double trigger. The two sxs double rifles that I purchased had double triggers. Personally, I did not have any issue with trigger configuration, I was just content and grateful to have a double rifle and to hunt with it in the field. I trust both trigger configurations and greatly find them reliable.
 
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