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That's the ones. Need a batch to reload some old compression formed AA 410 hulls I found this week in a stashed box. Would not normally care but there is probally 1500 or so there. The new win red 410 wad is too tight but will let you complete the shell only to split down the side after 1 firing. Claybuster/ winchester say they are OK to use as far as fit and pressure in the old comprerssion formed hulls but I am seeing different.