Dpms
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I have a 14.5" DPMS top that runs like a champ and shoots well. No different than my RRA or the Armalite, Stag, and bushmaster rifle shooting buddies of mine. I've never seen a DPMS that was bad. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. DPMS had issues in the early days from what I know. The latest stuff(5 years or newer) seems to have no issues.
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I believe you are misinterpreting the description of their rifles.
Each rifle is designed and assembled with different parts meant to accomplish different tasks and target specific buyers.
That is like saying GM is hit and miss with their performance, either you get a 17sec Malibu or a 11sec 'Vette........ ????????????
Each rifle is designed and assembled with different parts meant to accomplish different tasks and target specific buyers.
That is like saying GM is hit and miss with their performance, either you get a 17sec Malibu or a 11sec 'Vette........ ????????????
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How are the DPMS lowers as regard to fit with Armalite or Bushmaster uppers, I was looking at getting one ?
Let's do a reality check here.
A 1.5" group at 100 yards (that's what 1.5 MOA means) is nothing to sneeze at for an AR. Keep in mind that military issue rifles are "good" rack grade if they shoot 2 MOA. These rifles are service rifles. Any accuracy above and beyond that 2 MOA is gravy. You can expect more if you're shooting a high-end specifically built "target" AR, but that's a different animal from the six or seven pound carbines that most people think of when they say "AR".
I for one would not feel cheated if I had a reasonably priced 16" AR that shot 1.5" groups - since it's still shooting better than I'm holding it. If you're looking to benchrest it, that's another thing - but then again, why are you buying an AR if that's what you want to do.
As far as claims of 1/8" groups...let's be realistic here. A .223 round is a little over 1/5 of an inch in diameter. Anyone who claims a 1/8" group has been enjoying some high quality recreational substances.
A 1.5" group at 100 yards (that's what 1.5 MOA means) is nothing to sneeze at for an AR. Keep in mind that military issue rifles are "good" rack grade if they shoot 2 MOA. These rifles are service rifles. Any accuracy above and beyond that 2 MOA is gravy. You can expect more if you're shooting a high-end specifically built "target" AR, but that's a different animal from the six or seven pound carbines that most people think of when they say "AR".
I for one would not feel cheated if I had a reasonably priced 16" AR that shot 1.5" groups - since it's still shooting better than I'm holding it. If you're looking to benchrest it, that's another thing - but then again, why are you buying an AR if that's what you want to do.
As far as claims of 1/8" groups...let's be realistic here. A .223 round is a little over 1/5 of an inch in diameter. Anyone who claims a 1/8" group has been enjoying some high quality recreational substances.
I see your point. The group size depends on how it is measured. Should someone claim an overall group size of 1/8 inch at its widest point, I'd call BS as well. A group measuring an 1/8 of an inch from centre to centre is possible but very unlikely.
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A 1/8" center-to-center group is a "ragged hole". That's benchrest accuracy...and not at 100 meters. Not a realistic claim for an AR at 100 meters.
The very best custom AR makers in the states (we're talking prices from 3000 to 5000 before optics or accessories in a market where most AR's sell for under $1000) advertise 1/2" groups at 100 meters.
Also understand that there is more than one type of group...
The "1/2 inch group" that means "I shot three bullets that hit within 1/2 inch of each other but I'm not going to tell you that the rest of my three shot groups that day were anywhere from 1 to 3 inches in size."
Or
The "I regularly shoot five round groups where all bullet holes are inside of an honest inch, and I generally get three or four good groups for every one that I put a flier in."
Personally, I'd much rather be the guy shooting honest 1 inch groups. I;m not going to claim to be that guy either...I'm still working on my skills.
Sometimes I think that we as gun enthusiasts can be our own worst enemy...we play with the definitions of terms to gain bragging rights, and it messes with the heads of new guys. They end up thinking that if they don't buy the RRLMDPM superwhizbangfireball with the free-floated 32 inch 1 in 4 inch twist barrel with the Wylde .223 chamber and shoot nothing but Black Hills ammo that they'll never, ever shoot a 1/10" group and their phalluses will spontaneously detach.
The very best custom AR makers in the states (we're talking prices from 3000 to 5000 before optics or accessories in a market where most AR's sell for under $1000) advertise 1/2" groups at 100 meters.
Also understand that there is more than one type of group...
The "1/2 inch group" that means "I shot three bullets that hit within 1/2 inch of each other but I'm not going to tell you that the rest of my three shot groups that day were anywhere from 1 to 3 inches in size."
Or
The "I regularly shoot five round groups where all bullet holes are inside of an honest inch, and I generally get three or four good groups for every one that I put a flier in."
Personally, I'd much rather be the guy shooting honest 1 inch groups. I;m not going to claim to be that guy either...I'm still working on my skills.
Sometimes I think that we as gun enthusiasts can be our own worst enemy...we play with the definitions of terms to gain bragging rights, and it messes with the heads of new guys. They end up thinking that if they don't buy the RRLMDPM superwhizbangfireball with the free-floated 32 inch 1 in 4 inch twist barrel with the Wylde .223 chamber and shoot nothing but Black Hills ammo that they'll never, ever shoot a 1/10" group and their phalluses will spontaneously detach.
W squared.....I fully agree. Even with excellent posted groups, I personally could really care less. Benched performance is only a barometer for the specifics of that shoot. I.E. bullet weight, design, load, shooter, conditions etc etc. Shooters who are consistent in their performance from day to day, position to position and shot to shot are the true marksman in my opinion. Bench shooting is a skilled game, I'll be the first to argue that with anyone. However, most bench rest type of disciplines involve known distance stationary targets with ample time to engage. All from the bench. The skill is there, but the end game is nothing more than science and practice. Action sports introduce far more variables than one could possibly account for. Thus truly testing the shooter as well as his/her gear.
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