Me shooting at a fig14 at 600m through a 22 power scope the head is smaller than a ladybug. At 850m through a 4 power scope the entire person would look about as big as a grain of sand. Add wind into that... and you get hollywood.
Dragunov rifle accuracy
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There was an article a few years go about a guns and ammo writer who had his chinese dragunov rebarreled at Krebs custom. The writer claimed .5 MOA from this rifle. I don't beleive it for a second. that being said if I could get one I would probably try and make it accurate. Oh well next life.
i remember seeing an article in guns and ammo years ago, comparing different sniper rifles- of course, being us based, the m24 was on top, followed by a parker hale, and a mosin- the poor dragonov ranked somewhere around 10/13 , with a similar performance to what was already mentioned- funny thing was the absolute top of heap was an m40 , as used by the usmc- the m14/21/25 was around 3 or 5- but this data is quite dated around 1990 or so
I think the dragunov is a lot more accurate than people give it credit. Like any rifle if you find the proper ammunition, your rifle will have better groups. There was an interview with a Finnish sniper who used the Dragunov and found Lapua ammunition to be the most accurate (consistently 3/4 MOA):
http://www.dragunov.net/finn.html
Also in Hurt Locker the guy was using a PSL:
Considering that the Russian team won the "World Sniper Competition" a few years back in Hungary IRRC with just SVDs and PSO-1 scopes, against every kind of fancy, hugely expensive hi-tech rifle and scope the rest of the world could field, I'd say they're probably capable of great accuracy.
But of course the skill of the user remains paramount.
I think that the Dragunov head shots were not the worst BS in that scene...
Any shmoe that spent some time in the infantry would tell you that once they identified enemy fire as coming from the cinder block house, the way to nutralize the threat would be to re-man the .50 MG and take the building apart with it....That's what the .50 is really good at (apart from jamming...)
Also, two sappers who look like they're handling the barrett for the first time, are capable of hiting targets at 850m after firing what - 10 rounds or less? Sure.....
If you're looking for military accuracy in the The Hurt Locker - then yes, the Americans in Iraq were facing opponents who used IEDs extensively. The rest is pretty much Hollywoodian BS.
Any shmoe that spent some time in the infantry would tell you that once they identified enemy fire as coming from the cinder block house, the way to nutralize the threat would be to re-man the .50 MG and take the building apart with it....That's what the .50 is really good at (apart from jamming...)
Also, two sappers who look like they're handling the barrett for the first time, are capable of hiting targets at 850m after firing what - 10 rounds or less? Sure.....
If you're looking for military accuracy in the The Hurt Locker - then yes, the Americans in Iraq were facing opponents who used IEDs extensively. The rest is pretty much Hollywoodian BS.
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As someone who served in the Canadian infantry in the 1980s I can honestly say the only well maintained HMG that I personally seen jamming, was those horrid ones trying to shoot blanks sitting on top of Lynx recce APCs in West Germany.
IMO, a well timed .50 M2 Browning HMG and it's proper ammo was pure music to my ears.
ymmv
Edit: Sorry for the stray off topic......
IMO, a well timed .50 M2 Browning HMG and it's proper ammo was pure music to my ears.
ymmv
Edit: Sorry for the stray off topic......
Guys, please see post #7....
I must have the "sniper" version of the Dragonov as opposed to the "standard" one that people say are no good
I never personally owned an SVD, the SVD that I've shot belonged to the soviet military. Sometimes during controlled shots I would get 1 moa results. Ordinarily I would only get 2 moa. The ammunition used was 7n1 or Extra since we didn't have anything better in the 80's.
yes of course but the Drag was a great rifle for it's time. We also should remember that most were shot out, scavenged from parts and sold to the west. These guns were not the prime rifles that the USSR used, they were the used up ones.
IIRC an SVD in the hands of a Spetsnaz sniper managed a 1600 meter confirmed kill during the Soviet-Afghanistan war, on top of the aformentioned competiton wins.
IMO the SVD system is pretty darn sporty considering it's remained in pretty much the same form as when it was introduced way back when JFK was Prez, and also that it was intended to be more of a DMR rather than a true sniper system.
IMO the SVD system is pretty darn sporty considering it's remained in pretty much the same form as when it was introduced way back when JFK was Prez, and also that it was intended to be more of a DMR rather than a true sniper system.
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This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time. Thank you to the posters for sharing your actual experience with the SVD.
A lot of people mistake the Romanian PSL as a Dragunov. The Dragunov itself is a highly accurate rifle that in design is very simular to a Vz 58 or SKS. The Romanian PSL is just an RPK that they put a longer fixed gas piston and barrel. The Dragunov is a highly valued rifle in the united states if you can find it chambered in 7.62x54R. If you find the Tiger copy rifles or the Norinco copy rifles chambered for 7.62x51 they are pretty much worthless to collectors. (The Tiger Rifles in7.62x54R are highly valued but not the 7.62x51 ones.) There is a guy on youtube with a channel name ChromeFreak and he has a video comparing the PSL and the Dragunov.
This is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWUIsDzN78
This is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTWUIsDzN78
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Semi auto sniper rifles get a bad rap.....they're better than people think.
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I would agree with you. At the time iron sights were the norm, and every platoon was to have a sniper/long range capable guy (dragonov) in it. Stalin once said that quantity has a quality of it's own. And the russians seem to have gone with that philosophy. Doing so allowed a wide distribution of longer range (Dragonov) rifles avialble at the platoon level, you have that sniping capability handy, rather than having to call upon a sniper from the "sniper" unit (such as in some western armies), who will only deploy on orders from a higher level.
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Mine was in VG to excellent condition, except that there was so much copper fouling in my barrel that I shouldv'e opened up a copper mine
Shoot one during border exercises in north Czechoslovakia/Polish Mountains in 1988. I asked polish sharpshooter during range practice if I could fire his rifle. I shoot 2 mags at standard Nato soldier target. Fired 4 groups of 5 shots all of them within 10 cm at 300m rifle was supported with sand bag. The ammo was standard MG ammo. As I learned number of years later in Poland as opposed to Czechoslovak army, Polish army never used Russian sniper rounds, only police and sport shooters had them army was using standard ammo.
Dragunov has limited felt recoil, follow shoots can be made almost right away. Only complaint I will make was that the sharpshooter that let me use his rifle was way worser shoot then me his groups were double size to mine
Dragunov has limited felt recoil, follow shoots can be made almost right away. Only complaint I will make was that the sharpshooter that let me use his rifle was way worser shoot then me his groups were double size to mine
Dobry den cesky poust vlk. Nemluvim cesky ja jsem trying naucit se.
The guy with out the helmet and the glasses has a true Dragunov well the guy with the helmet has a PSL.
