Drop Charts

You don't need to understand DA at that level. In use, it's just a number you read off of the weather meter, and use to select the card for the right air density (if you're using cards).

The bull is around 1.2-1.4 MOA. It's not belly benchrest, which I'm sure isn't what the OP was creating his cards for either...
 
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So density altitude is RELATIVE air density??

Density altitude is a way of expressing absolute density.

The term comes from flying. It's a way to express the actual density of the air (which is a function of pressure, temperature and humidity), in a form meaningful to a pilot ("Density Altitude = 3200ft" means that the density of the air is the same as Standard Atmospheric Conditions at 3200' elevation).


However I have not found the guy at the range that has been able to read his Kestral and make the first shot be any closer to zero??? The military has sophisticated instuments to accomplish this and contrary to popular belief, snipers still usually require sighting shots for long range hits. I am sure that one could spend a lot of practice time studing DA and get a lot closer to centre on first shots, but that a lot of time I'm predicting! For jetting 2-stroke engines we had a guage that expressed relative air density as a percent ...

Many (though absolutely not all!) shooters using Kestrels are relatively inexperienced shooters, who are using the best instruments they can get in an effort to get the best results they possibly can. So much of this "guys with Kestrels don't get better first sighters than guys without" could be due to this.

The instruments the military uses are not sophisticated. They are rugged, they are expensive, they are reliable - but it starts with measuring air temperature and air pressure.

BTW the same principles in selecting carburetor jets applies to the amount of effect the air has on a bullet (you're interested in either the absolute density of the air, or the density relative to a standard reference condition).

I hope not too many of the guys I shoot with read this one!! hahaha
How big is your bull???
I have a hell of a time getting a drop chart that is within a 1/4moa after inputting all the data as accurratly as possible??? maybe I'm missing something

If your input data are correct, you should be able to get to about a quarter MOA or so. You need accurate data for your m.v., your bullet's BC (preferably a G7 figure, even better Litz's data), the air temperature and your elevation above sea level. Smaller factors that you might get away with ignoring are the humidity and the barometric pressure (depends on how accurate you need your results and what distance you are shooting).
 
I hope not too many of the guys I shoot with read this one!! hahaha
How big is your bull???
I have a hell of a time getting a drop chart that is within a 1/4moa after inputting all the data as accurratly as possible??? maybe I'm missing something

Not all scopes dial exactly what they say they do. Just another reason to confirm your drop info.
 
Wow!!! I had now idea it was all this complicated!!! I thought recording come ups once for a given caliber/bullet/load, was all I needed!! from there sighters was all I ever needed,give or take a 1/4 1/2 moa. I've converted a lot of sighters for score. "Density/altitude" sounds like some new rocket science, or is it the same as relative air density?? that we studied faithfuly for 2-stroke carberated engines, except our sighters(jets) were blown pistons hehehe

Marc - as an example, I added 3 MOA at Douglas Ridge, took off 2 MOA at Raton, based on Homestead 900m come-ups. 5 MOA difference from essentially sea level to 6800' ASL.
 
SO how do you set up charts to go of DA?

or do I get the DA and use that chart that I made for...?


6000ft da and use the 6000ft chart?

Essentially you have already started to do that. I haven't looked at that g seven site you used but somewhere in there you could probably find the pressure that was used as a baseline for those charts. They probably used 29.92 inches of mercury and 15C or 59F temp at sea level and subtracted one inch off the pressure per 1000 ft. Since your 10 000ft chart still is based off a 59F temp(standard conditions would subtract 2C per 1000ft - 23F) it would be a safe bet that the density altitude on that chart (the altitude at which the bullet thinks it is at) would likely be much higher than 10 000. All you need is a temp and pressure and I'm sure that you could easily find a density altitude converter on the net. You could get one cheap at a pilot supply place as well.
To be honest though the charts would probably be off a bit if you just used one velocity input at all temps. You would need a boat load of charts to cover all the possibilities because your muzzle velocity is going to change with temp and for long range you need to account for that.
Drop is the easy part though (relatively speaking)
 
U.S. Army tests on .308 Winchester ammunition:

Degrees Fahrenheit, MuzzleVelocity, Bullet Drop at 600 Yards (200-Yard Zero)
-10, 2400 feet/sec, -109 inches
+25, 2500 feet/sec, -100 inches
+59, 2600 feet/sec, -91 inches
+100, 2700 feet/sec, -84 inches


So, ammo temperature as well as air density do indeed play a part.
 
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