Drug use and competitions

Ask many of the people I have shot with and they will tell you creatine and whey protein should be made illegal!
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hey doc m i think dextroampethamine has not been given to pilots for many years i think its usually Modafinil (Provigil) that is used then they give them some kinda hypnotic sleeping (ambien) or benzos to cool off after
 
bigdawg said:
hey doc m i think dextroampethamine has not been given to pilots for many years i think its usually Modafinil (Provigil) that is used then they give them some kinda hypnotic sleeping (ambien) or benzos to cool off after
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That sounds just like the college days.
 
Obtunded said:
Beta blockers are a double edge sword. Yes, they slow heart rate, but they act like a pharmacological governor. Your tolerance for physical activity is significantly affected and as such I cannot possibly see how their use can be a benefit. They also have more obscure uses, but these would constitute a legitmate medical need (They are used to treat certain forms of tremors). Suggesting that some of our elder shooter discontinue their prescriptions - or even implying such, is forensically irresponsible.

If yu really want performance enhancement, get your cardiovascular fitness to the point where you have a resting heart rate in the 40's or 50's. If your heart is going 100/minute, that's becuase it NEEDS to. Chemically Slowing it to 50 means you'll feel like you've had the stuffing taken out of you.

Cocaine, amphetamines (MDMA et al) caffeine, are all stimulants. These are definitely NOT what you want when shooting. Opiates are probably the grug with the greatest potential for performance enhancement through their euphoric/sedating properties, but finding just the right amount....

SO... does taking a couple of over-the-counter 222's before a match because you're a broken down old F-Class shooter constitute use of a banned substance? Does having a script for Tylenol 3's make you inelligible for competition?

I frankly see the whole thing as pedantic obfuscation.
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You missed one property of beta blockers, aside from slowing the heart, the main reason they are an advantage in pistol shooting is they significantly reduce 'intention tremor', and improve fine motor control. Hence the advantage to pistol, or rile shooters if they are not using a rest/bipod.
 
rnbra-shooter said:
I realize that you're probably saying that tongue-in-cheek, but in TR and F-
Class competition it is not allowed. ICFRA F-Class Rules:
F3.2. Personal wind indicating or measuring devices of any description are forbidden on the firing
point. “Wind Correction Tables” in printed form, or as “slide rules” are permitted. National
or Team flags, flown at the back of the Team Area are not considered a contravention of this
rule.
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Of course, but it would sure be nice somedays :D

Jerry
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Jerry I've always thought that the ultimate spotter's scope would incorporate a built-in laser rangefinder, plus a built-in laser doppler velocitimeter.... I'm sure that would do what you are looking for ;-)
 
What about just taking a bottle of pure medical grade oxygen and huffing some of that For a half hour prior to a string? You'd think that would increase your alertness and decrease your heart rate. Ain't nothing wrong with good ol fashioned O2!!
 
dan belisle said:
I take numerous drugs everyday, just to keep my heart functioning. Frankly, I don't see me giving up shooting or the meds, regardless of what any organisation or ruling body might think. FWIW - dan
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The life of a double nought is definitely fraught with danger. Our country owes you an enormous debt of gratitude. Seriously though, sorry to hear about your health problems.
 
Doc M said:
It's called amphetamine. Dexedrine is still issued to USAF pilots under certain circumstances.

With careful use, it's quite a wonderdrug for the mind and abilities. However, it's a fine line between proper use and abuse.


-M
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Wasn't this the drug that was given to the US pilot that dropped a bomb on our troops killing 4 of them in Afghanistan a number of years ago?
 
KDX said:
The life of a double nought is definitely fraught with danger. Our country owes you an enormous debt of gratitude. Seriously though, sorry to hear about your health problems.
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Lol, well thank you. I'm currently double noughting in Bangladesh, but will be off to South Africa in a week or so. The meds keep me stable, and relatively healthy. I'll never compete in biatholon, but I can still manage a bipod monted rifle ok. I can see where some of these meds would modify a healthy persons heartbeat etc, but it seems a high price to pay for that. - dan
 
roberti11 said:
You missed one property of beta blockers, aside from slowing the heart, the main reason they are an advantage in pistol shooting is they significantly reduce 'intention tremor', and improve fine motor control. Hence the advantage to pistol, or rile shooters if they are not using a rest/bipod.
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Go back and read the second line of my post again.:p
 
I believe in the olympics the only sport that alcohol is a banned substance in,are the shooting events.I guess they should have a look at that rule because Javelin and rum+cokes is probably not a great idea either. ;)
 
Longshot said:
I believe in the olympics the only sport that alcohol is a banned substance in,are the shooting events.I guess they should have a look at that rule because Javelin and rum+cokes is probably not a great idea either. ;)
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I believe Jim Clark Sr set some US records for bullseye while skirting the edge of falling down drunk.:rolleyes:
 
Shooting is a mental game. There is no drug that improves the intellectual processes, except to maybe calm the chattering monkeys.

Dan has it right about WADA. But look at the route that had to be navigated to get there. National doping programs, juiced superstars, amateur chemists and virtual transexuals. If everyone behaved there would be no problems. Shooting is a very individualistic sport, populated by some of the most calculating characters anywhere. If any substance was found that might improve performance, it would be de rigeur.
 
Longshot said:
I believe in the olympics the only sport that alcohol is a banned substance in,are the shooting events.
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Seems like the doping at Olympic events is overseen by WADA - World Anti-Doping Agency.

2010 WADA rules read in part:

SUBSTANCES PROHIBITED IN PARTICULAR SPORTS

P1. ALCOHOL

Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited In-Competition only, in the following sports.
Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood. The doping
violation threshold (haematological values) is 0.10 g/L.
  • Aeronautic (FAI)
  • Archery (FITA)
  • Automobile (FIA)
  • Karate (WKF)
  • Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) for disciplines involving shooting
  • Motorcycling (FIM)
  • Ninepin and Tenpin Bowling (FIQ)
  • Powerboating (UIM)
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I am getting the above from the a WADA PDF file posted on the European Kendo Federation's web site. Kendo is not an Olympic sport, but International Kendo Federation (FIK) is a member of Sportaccord, and Sportaccord is a member of WADA, so they follow the same rules. http://ekf-eu.com/documents/Prohibited_List_10_english.pdf


Here is an entertaining link: http://www.globaldro.com/ca-en/sear...rid=1&show=All&search=alcohol&newSearch=false

Never occurred to me that one can intramuscularly inject alcohol, but I guess somewhere someone have tried it, and reaped some sort of a performance benefit.
 
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