Dusty Jewel Uncovered this past week.
- Thread starter wiltaylor
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I remove my headdress in your presents sir....a noble act is never done for money, it`s done because it`s the right thing to do.....ensure that it is displayed and that you get an honorable mention that you have loaned, sold, in-trusted said item to the Regiment....least they could do for your efforts.
Donny Fenn1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- East Kootenays
will the regiment DEWAT it or keep it functional? that's the first question i'd ask...
Beautiful Cold Morning
Good Morning CGN,
Thank you for all your responses, I'm glad I could share this bit of history with you guys, every day I seem to find a bit more about the pistol and Lt. Col. C. E. Bent. THe latest news is he still has a son who lives in the east coast and a grandaughter somewhere which are a part or are still in contact with the 48ths museum committee from what I gathered and they are happy to see it return home.
Just going to take a second to respond to a few people that have posted:
@ Twistedbrilliance - I scored it at a local shop in Ottawa, GUNCO. Used firearms and gunsmith. Awesome place, he was more than kind with me as he held the pistol till I could scrounge the money.
@ Plinker 777 & 9x19p - Your comments are more than kind Sirs, and I thank you. I am selling it to them as I have to recoop my cost I paid. They are very Excited to have it under there roof in the near future. As much as I would like to hold onto this pistol, nobody would appreciate this pistol more than them.
@ Donny Fenn 1 - I have not asked them that yet but I'll post again when I know.
Good Morning CGN,
Thank you for all your responses, I'm glad I could share this bit of history with you guys, every day I seem to find a bit more about the pistol and Lt. Col. C. E. Bent. THe latest news is he still has a son who lives in the east coast and a grandaughter somewhere which are a part or are still in contact with the 48ths museum committee from what I gathered and they are happy to see it return home.
Just going to take a second to respond to a few people that have posted:
@ Twistedbrilliance - I scored it at a local shop in Ottawa, GUNCO. Used firearms and gunsmith. Awesome place, he was more than kind with me as he held the pistol till I could scrounge the money.
@ Plinker 777 & 9x19p - Your comments are more than kind Sirs, and I thank you. I am selling it to them as I have to recoop my cost I paid. They are very Excited to have it under there roof in the near future. As much as I would like to hold onto this pistol, nobody would appreciate this pistol more than them.
@ Donny Fenn 1 - I have not asked them that yet but I'll post again when I know.
07blackwater
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Port Coquitlam, BC
You sir, are a better man than I.
I was about to say something along the same lines.
Good on you OP!
Jwirecom109
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Rural Alberta
killer find, i wish i could pick up something like that
This is the big question. If the regulations force them to deactivate it, it would be better in the hands of a private collector, sadly.
Perhaps it could be loaned to them and escape the chop that way?
There's always a danger of theft with cherries like this and small museums, so if it is loaned you can set the terms of storage and display.
I wouldn't hand it over or agree to anything until those details are on paper and signed to by all concerned.
It dose not matter what they tell you they will do with it. once they get it .you will never see it again , unless its on display . it will be theres and you have no say in the matter. and when you say you would like it back , they will say it's been misplaced here is your income tax receipt for 4% of your donation on there appraisal. sell it for cash or forget it.
As a former Reservist in a Highland Regiment, thank you for making the effort to return this rare piece of our history back home.
Having said that..if it is displayed in a museum..it will be deactivated. My former RSM is the curator at our Regimental museum and they have an extensive collection of firearms. All have been deactivated by CF armourers.
They aren't cut or barrels welded up that I can see..so I'm not sure how they in fact dewat them.
You might want to check into that and maybe lend it to them..
Having said that..if it is displayed in a museum..it will be deactivated. My former RSM is the curator at our Regimental museum and they have an extensive collection of firearms. All have been deactivated by CF armourers.
They aren't cut or barrels welded up that I can see..so I'm not sure how they in fact dewat them.
You might want to check into that and maybe lend it to them..
I always thought that the Mills Patent web sets were the norm for the 5000 1911's purchased by the Canadian government.
http://mpmuseum.org/ww1weapons.html
"5,001 Mills Patent web sets for the Colt 1911 .45 calibre pistol were acquired. These sets consisted of waistbelt, brace, holster, magazine pouch, and for officers, a sword frog. Most of the Canadian purchase were marked with the Mills trademark, dated 1914 and stamped with the C Arrow of Canadian ownership."
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/pistols.htm
"This is the holster pattern purchased by Canada in 1914 for issue with the 5000 Colt M1911 semi- automatic pistols acquired that same year. Manufactured by the Mills Equipment Company in the United States. The Mills holster for the M1911 is shown at right."
How did solders end up with a leather holster. Was this an upgrade made by individuals or were these issued by the army as well as the standard Mills equipment.
http://mpmuseum.org/ww1weapons.html
"5,001 Mills Patent web sets for the Colt 1911 .45 calibre pistol were acquired. These sets consisted of waistbelt, brace, holster, magazine pouch, and for officers, a sword frog. Most of the Canadian purchase were marked with the Mills trademark, dated 1914 and stamped with the C Arrow of Canadian ownership."
http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/weapons/pistols.htm
"This is the holster pattern purchased by Canada in 1914 for issue with the 5000 Colt M1911 semi- automatic pistols acquired that same year. Manufactured by the Mills Equipment Company in the United States. The Mills holster for the M1911 is shown at right."
How did solders end up with a leather holster. Was this an upgrade made by individuals or were these issued by the army as well as the standard Mills equipment.
As far as I know, you are correct. Maybe the leather holster came together with the pistol at some later date. Also, has anyone established that the pistol is part of the Canadian Contract? Not all pistols in that serial number range were part of that contract.
Wow, that is absolutely spectacular that you were able to aquire this Colt & then donate it back to where a piece like this should be, the original owner's unit museum.
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Excellent looking pistol and an excellent find.
Did you happen to receive (either with the pistol or through your own contact with Colt) the historian's letter to verify its original owner, be it a Canadian Contract 1911, or purchased personally by Lt. Col. Bent? Does the unit have any records of what serial number was on the CO's pistol at that time, or is it a leap of faith based on the grips and the pistol being the correct vintage?
I can't tell from the pictures, but is the barrel hood polished? It appears to be a M1911 barrel in the pictures.
If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for it? I know Jason's prices are usually more than reasonable.
I sincerely hope the unit isn't planning on deactivating the pistol when they receive it. It would be a crime to destroy the functionality, originality and value of such an important piece of Canadian Military history, especially one which can actually be owned by the average private collector (vs. being a prohib that many of us are not fortunate enough to be licensed for). I think we can all agree that it is a very sad occurrence when a piece of history is destroyed, especially if it is in the interest of greed or profit. My hat truly goes off to you for making the donation.
-Adam
Did you happen to receive (either with the pistol or through your own contact with Colt) the historian's letter to verify its original owner, be it a Canadian Contract 1911, or purchased personally by Lt. Col. Bent? Does the unit have any records of what serial number was on the CO's pistol at that time, or is it a leap of faith based on the grips and the pistol being the correct vintage?
I can't tell from the pictures, but is the barrel hood polished? It appears to be a M1911 barrel in the pictures.
If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for it? I know Jason's prices are usually more than reasonable.
I sincerely hope the unit isn't planning on deactivating the pistol when they receive it. It would be a crime to destroy the functionality, originality and value of such an important piece of Canadian Military history, especially one which can actually be owned by the average private collector (vs. being a prohib that many of us are not fortunate enough to be licensed for). I think we can all agree that it is a very sad occurrence when a piece of history is destroyed, especially if it is in the interest of greed or profit. My hat truly goes off to you for making the donation.
-Adam
1 million onions?
