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I was looking at an EAL rifle today that may be for sale. What is the going price range?
This one is the version with the charger bridge milled off and the sights mounted on the barrel. Late CA mark and it is in reasonable but not spectacular shape.
 
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ah here we go again.

The poorly understood EAL, only several thousand made (5000-7000 depending who you ask)

What your looking at it the civilain version of the EAL, Prices due to rarity should be higher but there seems to be a lot still in circulation. Many get sold as Bubba No4's which we knos that they are not.

So nailing a price is extreamly difficult, other things to take into consideration is has some moron drilled holes all over the reciever, if so its worth as much as a bubba No4.

In average shape I would offer $200 and not pay more then $300

this one is mine http://www.telusplanet.net/public/philqgbr/enfieldeal.html
 
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I paid about $250 in an internet auction 18-24 months ago. So there is a realistic market value.

I bought it because it is one of the smallest production run Canadian Lee Enfield. Not to mention a neat little rifle. A Canadian-made firearms collector would advised to snap it up.

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Karl said:
Barrel mounted rear sight would indicate a military model although the serial # would tell for sure.
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~stratton/EALrifle.htm
I like mine althought some twit did drill for side mount P/H bases
I concur on the price range.
I would agree with it being military, provided we are talking about the little flip up sights on the knoxform area, along with a serial number in the 5000-6### range.
As to the PH holes on a military, I passed on a minty EAL military about 5 years back, only to find out that many of the military ones had the PH scope mount factory mounted. One of the holes was through one of the digits in the serial number, while another hole was through one of the letters in the EAL.

Price wise, I think the listed estimates may be a bit low. Most of the decent EALs I have seen fall into the $400-500 range, paricularily the military version.
 
The serial number doesn't fall into the military range, it is 28xx, so I guess it is a civilian model. The rear sight is a standard sporting type although it is attached with a barrel band, not on the knox form. No extra holes in the receiver that I could see and where the rear sight would be on a No.4 has been milled away. Judging by the workmanship and the finish, it was done by EAL.
It has the right stock and "anti-flinch" pad.
If I can pick it up for $100-$150 I will.
 
I saw a minty military specimen and a VG sporter at the Kamloops show this spring. They both went dureing setup (pre show) the minty military went for $650 and the civilian version went for $250. Btoth were bought by the same fellow from Edmonton. He said that he had been looking for both bersions for a long time and to find them both together at the same table was a real stroke of luck. They don't come up very often in either version and when they do are usually well used,as far as finish is concerned. If you want one and this is the only one you've seen chances are it may be the last one you see, especially for sale for a long time. bearhunter
 
Karl said:
Barrel mounted rear sight would indicate a military model although the serial # would tell for sure.
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/~stratton/EALrifle.htm
I like mine althought some twit did drill for side mount P/H bases
I concur on the price range.


I spoke with Stratton a few years back about his serial numbers and he admits that the ranges he gives are not entirely correct. Its easy to tell what you have by looking at the rear of the reciever. If its set up to take a peep sight it's a civilain model if its set up for a barrelmounted rear site only it's a military version.

Unless bubba got there first. :mad:

I'de be all over it for $150 :eek:
 
EAL serial number ranges cannot be for sure

One word of caution on trlying on the published serial number ranges of the eal rifles is that -- it is not accurate.

EAL's out of that range have come to light recently and the data is now being worked on. civilian rifles with serial numbers below 2,000 have been found. Warren is working on another article chronicling these new finds.

As Warren Wheatfields article says------+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The E.A.L. Rifle is found in both civilian and military models. The civilian models are serial numbered in the range of 2000 to 5000, while the military models are numbered in the 6000 to 6999 range. The civilian models have 10-round magazines and military Mk II (two-position flip-type) rear sights (Figure 4), while the military models have 5-round magazines and an express-type rear sight with two folding blades. Also, the civilian models have ramp-type front sights with bead-type blades, while the military models have standard military front sights. Military models have been observed with holes drilled and tapped for Parker Hale scope mounts, and at least one military model exists mounted with a Tasco 4x scope. The wrists of the military model buttstocks bear military acceptance proofs.

Various Canadian government documents refer to the E.A.L. Rifle military model as NATO stock number 1005-21-8-8-9499 and RCAF number EO.30-65FE. Other RCAF documents list the E.A.L. Rifle as ".303 cal rifle sports model". Rifles in the range of 6280 to 6999 appear to have been issued to Ranger units.

Essential Agencies Limited was founded in 1945 as a sporting goods importer/distributor. In 1950s, E.A.L. apparently purchased surplus action bodies, barrels, and small parts from Canadian Arsenals Ltd. (C.A.L.) of Long Branch, Ontario. Records indicate that E.A.L. contracted with the firm of S.T. Francis and Sons at 166A York Street, Toronto to do the machining on the action bodies.

The action bodies are not stamped with the usual "No. 4 Mk I*" model identification or the "Long Branch" factory designation, nor were they dated or serial numbered by C.A.L. They do bear Canadian proof marks and C.A.L. inspector's marks, however, these being from the time period of 1953 to 1960. In addition, bolts, cocking pieces, trigger guards, and safety locking levers bear "CA" markings (Figure 5). No sign of thinning is apparent on the portions of the action body where model and factory identifying marks are normally found. Also, high magnification reveals no signs of Long Branch serial numbers having been removed.

The furniture as well is newly manufactured. The buttstocks (Figure 6) are thinner in cross section and deeper at the toe than are No. 4 rifle buttstocks and have full pistol grips; hence, they cannot be modified military buttstocks. The recoil pads (Figure 7) are JOSTAM "Anti-Flinch" pads of the same type found on No. 67 sniper rifles. The fore-ends bear a resemblance to standard No. 4 fore-ends but they lack the lightening cuts in the barrel channel.

The barrels appear to be No. 4 military rifle barrels shortened to 21-3/8 inches and re-crowned. The barrels have "CA" markings on the knox form and "crown and lance" proof marks on the right side.

On E.A.L. Rifles observed, the breech cover loop has been removed from the trigger guard (Figure 8). The sling swivels are late variants of No. 4 rifle swivels. The butt swivel bracket is standard military, and the front swivel is a standard military butt swivel bracket inletted into the bottom of the fore-end (Figure 9).

[Additional photos from Mr. Wheatfield will be added at a later date.]

Any reader who owns an E.A.L. Rifle is urged to contact Enfield Research Associates via e-mail. It is through the efforts of Enfield owners and collectors as well as Enfield historians that we are able to learn more about these historically interesting rifles.
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I have two.
One is a normal civilian model within the accepted -published range- the other was sold to me because it seemed to be a sported EAL but now it seems that it is in fact an original civilian EAL below the accepted serial range of 2000 and has different sights.

At least one other EAL with these sights has been found so I was told by a fellow with one.

Warren has found others so I have speculated that these may have been production models before the standardized civilian and military models were finalized as far as specifications of production.

At any rate -- if your EAl has the two flip sights on the barrel it is a military model even if the serial range does not match.

By the way I believe that someone posted that the (CA) stamp is a Canadian gvmnt approval stamp? I am not so sure I thought it was the Canadian Arsenal acceptance stamp meaning that it passed proof?

The picture is --

a) the first receiver is a civilian EAL
b) the second is a Parker Hale No4 in a No5 butt and a sported foreend.
c) the last four rifles are--

1) in no particular order--BSA early model--BSA late model--Faz early model--Faz late model---

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Regards
Terry in VIctoria
 
The going price seems to be what the market will bear... if you can find one.

I was desperately searching for one for about five years, trying to get one for my Dad-in-Law to be able to shoot before the demons of arthritis make it impossible - He was a SAR tech in the late 50's / early 60's, and had one on issue, so I wanted to track one down for him.

Found one in October of last year, albeit a "civi" pattern with the aperture sight.... Worn finish and slightly frosty bore, with a couple of holes tapped in the top of the receiver ring for a PH mount.... Shoots darned sweet with 150 gr SPs, and I count myself lucky to have gotten it for $350.

What is one worth to you, I guess?

Cheers,

Neal
 
I've had a couple civi EAL's that CGN members now enjoy. Think to remember with them is when youre not actively looking for one they seem to come out of the woodwork. This changes when really searching, you'd think there were none left on the planet. The two I've owned were just priced as bubb'd No.4's. Was talikng to an elderly fellow at the Victoria Fish&Game club last fall. He was shooting a battered civi EAL he'd owned since new. I noticed the barrel had the '46 stamp on chamber area that I have seen on Longbranch postwar rebuilds. This leads me to believe that EAL must have used some excellent/used parts they got from LB. If I see him again I'll try to get more details ie:serial#range.
Geoff
 
I had another look at the EAL rifle and it doesn't match either military or civilian pattern absolutely. Does anyone have a picture of the military express sight? this one may be a military rear sight with one leaf missing. The front sight is a ramp type and the action is marked EAL 28xx with no periods between the letters. The trigger guard is stamped, not milled.
If I can pry it away from the current owner, I will post some pictures.
 
Warren is Looking for information guys.

Warren posted this about his upcoming re-do of the EAl article he did a few years ago.

A few things-- EAL's have been seen with a rear sight on the barrel that has one leaf only compared to the military two flip up rear sight on the barrel.

The accepted sights seem to have gone out the window with the EAL's being reported in the past months.

So here is Warrens post on the Culvers web site asking for your information.
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EAL help needed......from EAL owners

Posted By: Warren (original) <Send E-Mail>
Date: Monday, 8 May 2006, at 5:29 am

I am going to rewrite my treatise on the Canadian EAL rifle in the near future. However, I have found that there were other small runs of EAL rifles outside the serial numbers I listed in my previous treatise. Would anyone who has an EAL, please drop me a private email to the above address. No names will be used, and files will be deleted at the end of my research. I just want to confirm the existence of an earlier run with three diget serial numbers and a different front sight attachment, as well as there also apprears to be another distinct series. I also have received info that another small run was made with Canadian military serial numbers for the military mapping branch. (Thanks Terry) Also, any additional info you feel would assist me is appreciated.
Cheers,
Warren (original) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Go to http://69.41.147.2/cgi-bin/lee-enfield/lee-enfield.pl?read=20721

To report to Warren your ELA information for the new article.
Warren is honest and if you do not know him he worked in the British Pattern room volunteering under Herb Woodend the curator.

One of the most educated Lee Enfield collectors anywhere.
Your information is safe and as he said will be destroyed after the months end as he just needs it for estimating the serial number ranges and variations of EALs that have come to light.

I for one -- wait eagerly for the updated EAL article to be published.

Regards
Terry
 
terryinvictoria said:
Warren posted this about his upcoming re-do of the EAl article he did a few years ago.

A few things-- EAL's have been seen with a rear sight on the barrel that has one leaf only compared to the military two flip up rear sight on the barrel.

The accepted sights seem to have gone out the window with the EAL's being reported in the past months.

Terry

The rifle I'm looking at appears to be one of the ones with a single leaf rear sight. It appears to be original, there are no signs that there was ever anything else attached or removed.
I will send the details off to Mr. Wheatfield.
 
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