Ear Protection - ear muffs in the way, and NRR of electronic muffs

[Longstud]

so, do any of these have active noise cancellation that is effective for gunfire?


What is the NRR on your Flugz? 30?

If your hearings so good, how come you cant hear range commands?
Even if I wear plugs AND muffs I can still hear someone talking to me!

Well you’ve gone from stating what you think about things you obviously have no experience or knowledge of, to asking questions about the items you just stated didn’t work “They’re regular muffs with microphones for your surroundings. They’re NOT active noise cancelling muffs, gunfire is too short for that.” WRONG

All of this is available with a simple search! With my moulded plugs I can hear speech but it’s like listening to a drunk, Charlie Brown like. I’m not guessing at what’s being said when it comes to safety. You won’t find a set on Amazon or whatever for$14.95. I simply stated what works for me, believe whatever you’d like.

 

[Jahnj0584]

I asked the question because you did everything but answer it the first time. I dont want an answer from google, i want YOUR answer.

You dont even have to show your work.

 

[Ex3dy]

I asked the question because you did everything but answer it the first time. I dont want an answer from google, i want YOUR answer.

You dont even have to show your work.

I've never seen any standalone electronic ones, no. I have had people argue, in an industrial setting, that noise cancelling AirPods count as ear plugs and they kind of do. Most of the shooters low profile muffs have a lower NRR rating because they have less dampening material and less internal volume, the electronic ones have even less internal volume and various manufacturing concessions that create a less perfect seal.
Relying on batteries to protect your hearing is not a great idea.

https://www.apple.com/airpods-pro/pdf/Hearing_Protection_data_sheet_October_2024.pdf

• The Hearing Protection feature works with AirPods Pro 2 with the latest firmware when paired with a compatible iPhone, iPad, or Mac running the latest operating system. Thefeature is only available in the U.S. and Canada.

• The Hearing Protection feature is not suitable for protection against extremely loud impulse sounds, such as gunfire, fireworks, or jackhammers, or against sustained sounds louder than 110 dBA.

The passive Noise Reduction Rating (NRR), measured in decibels (dB), describes the estimated level of noise reduction provided7 and only applies when there is no AirPods Pro battery charge or when the Off noise control setting is enabled. In each of these two cases, the Hearing Protection feature is off1 and the level of noise entering your ear, when AirPods Pro 2 are worn as directed, is closely approximated by the difference between the A-weighted environmental noise level (dBA) and the passive NRR.

Example calculation:
• The environmental noise level as measured at the ear is 92 dBA8
• The passive NRR is 10 dB. The level of noise entering the ear is approximately equal to 82 dB. The passive NRR does not apply in Transparency mode, Adaptive Audio, or Noise Cancellation mode. When Loud Sound Reduction is Off in Transparency mode and Adaptive Audio, there may be no noise reduction provided.

Noise
Reduction
Rating
10 Decibels
(When used as directed)
The range of noise reduction ratings for existing hearing protectors is approximately 0 to 30 (higher numbers denote greater effectiveness)

 

[savagefan]

I usually wear foam plugs and muffs at the range. I tried Axil Reactor plugs with the muffs and I'm not too thrilled by them, I also have a bugger of a time getting them out.

 

[Longstud]

I asked the question because you did everything but answer it the first time. I dont want an answer from google, i want YOUR answer.

You dont even have to show your work.

I just figured you would print some! If you spray paint them make sure you’ve given enough time for off gassing. That’s the answer

 

[Big Bad]

I was lucky enough to land a set of Peltor ComTac e-muffs, similar to this photo, that are specially cut so as to not interfere with almost any kind of shooting and I recommend looking for the same sort of thing. It's a term I hate to use, but they are mil spec, which can mean crap but not in this case. Indoor ranges, use plugs too.

 

[Buck1950]

Walker razor Slims are on sale at Amazon - $50. And I just found they make gel-pads for these, too. Sound response 0.02 seconds. I imagine if 'right next to a brake' it'd hurt but they work for me. If someone is shooting CF with a brake (within 15 feet or so) I add foam plugs "Just to be sure". I already have tinnitus so I'm sensitive to firearms sound - it really hurts if I don't have good 'pro'. Like a needle in my ears.
And the 3M ear plugs adamg mentioned earlier are ca Peltors @ $300+ on Amazon.
http s://www.walkersgameear.com/razor-slim-electronic-ear-muff/#technology
And the Peltor XP1s that BB noted, are over $700 with tax . . . and look pretty 'fat' as in 'thick', not 'dope'.

 

[Big Bad]

Walker razor Slims are on sale at Amazon - $50. And I just found they make gel-pads for these, too. Sound response 0.02 seconds. I imagine if 'right next to a brake' it'd hurt but they work for me. If someone is shooting CF with a brake (within 15 feet or so) I add foam plugs "Just to be sure". I already have tinnitus so I'm sensitive to firearms sound - it really hurts if I don't have good 'pro'. Like a needle in my ears.
And the 3M ear plugs adamg mentioned earlier are ca Peltors @ $300+ on Amazon.
http s://www.walkersgameear.com/razor-slim-electronic-ear-muff/#technology
And the Peltor XP1s that BB noted, are over $700 with tax . . . and look pretty 'fat' as in 'thick', not 'dope'.

I got my Peltors when the Canadian dollar was at par and they are thinner at the top than the ones in the photo I was able to retrieve here look- maybe mine didn't work out for the military or something because I couldn't find exact equivalents but they're great for my purposes. They are in fact quite phat, even if at the time my joke was that it came down to either buying them or another gun, I think around $450-$ 500. But I consider them a lifetime investment, which so far has worked out just fine. Mind you, I'd rather they go than I go, lol.

 

[Buck1950]

BB - Yes, those are really nice. If I was around more people shooting I'd likely go for a set but I'm usually alone at the range I use (small club in the woods). I'll stick with my Walkers and buy another gun I mostly shoot 22 now due to cost but I have a couple 308s and an SKS that get noisy when I bring 'em out.

 

[big bear]

I've been through a few different kinds of hearing protection over the years. A lot of muffs out there are too low on NRR to really be effective, at least when shooting indoors. The slim Peltor Tactical set was one of the worst. More tacticool than effective. To add to the confusion, some manufacturers (EU mostly) use SNR which offers less protection than NRR if you compare numbers to numbers. Axil is an example of a brand that uses SNR.

I have a nice set of electronic muffs I bought years ago and recently snagged some aftermarket gel cups from Amazon. It's comfortable to wear all day, except when it's killer hot out in the summer. Be weary of cheap electronic muffs, they may or may not "filter" out damaging noise well enough. This maybe used to be more of a concern when the tech was "new".

I just bought a set of in ear 3M Peltor EEP-100 electronic earplugs. I've only used them for about 3 hours during a range session but so far I'm very impressed. Comfortable and have enough NRR for shooting indoors (get the skull screws with them to maximize NRR). I have not tried them outdoors yet though so can't comment on stuff like wind noise. When I'm squadded with a particular open shooter next, I'll probably still double them up with my existing muffs. Need a blast shield with him really (and maybe a fire extinguisher on hand.....if you're reading this, you know who you are!

I quit being an R.O. at IPSC matches years ago after being exposed to the noise/blast of 1 too many"blast class" open pistols. I think you would need double ear protection plus a motorcycle helmet to not get hearing damage from standing beside one of those multiported gamer pistols as the noise seemed to go through your skull bones.

 

[thump_rrr]

I wear the Axil GS Extreme 2.0 ear buds.
They have Bluetooth and amplification and a bunch of different ear pieces.
https://goaxil.com/products/gx-extreme