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Edmonton gun show soft sales
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Okay, I’ll chime in. Work kept me from gun shows all last year, so I was looking forward to this one. I drove 3 hours from the Wainwright area to go. I had a list in my head of things I was looking for, and cash in my pocket. I’ll admit, most of what I was looking for was parts for different “projects” I’m working on, but if something spoke to me it would have come home. Went through the whole place...twice. Very little in the way of black rifle parts, and to be honest, what was there I can get on the EE or from vendors new for the same prices. There was some really nice “hunting rifles” there, but I really don’t need another hunting rifle. I did look at a Remington 7615 that was priced at $900. It was nice but I see them come up on here for that price. A really nice LE No4 tanker in 308. Really nice conversion done on it......that one almost came home with me. Still thinking I should have grabbed it. But overall I was a little disappointed. It was the same tables of the same guns, that didn’t sell 2 years ago. Lots of milsurp that you can buy on here for as good of prices, and lots of overpriced Savage Axis packages. A handmade German rifle with heavy engraving and a beautifully carved stock for $10 K.
Having said all that, an acquaintance of mine found a friggin UNICORN. He’s got a bee in his bonnet about a 1/4 caliber. Dreamed about a 257 Roberts, but was settled on a 25-06. And he wanted a single shot. I told him that his best bet was a Thompson Center with a 25-06 barrel. Then we ran into Darren at the show. On his table he had a Ruger No1 in 257 Roberts built by Mick McPhee. And he got it for a price that was realistically only a couple hundred more than he would have paid for a Thompson. Thanks Darren!
All in all a good day at a gun show, but I walked out of there with a couple boxes of ammo, and some black rifle coffee. That never used to happen to me. And parking sucked.
Having said all that, an acquaintance of mine found a friggin UNICORN. He’s got a bee in his bonnet about a 1/4 caliber. Dreamed about a 257 Roberts, but was settled on a 25-06. And he wanted a single shot. I told him that his best bet was a Thompson Center with a 25-06 barrel. Then we ran into Darren at the show. On his table he had a Ruger No1 in 257 Roberts built by Mick McPhee. And he got it for a price that was realistically only a couple hundred more than he would have paid for a Thompson. Thanks Darren!
All in all a good day at a gun show, but I walked out of there with a couple boxes of ammo, and some black rifle coffee. That never used to happen to me. And parking sucked.
Honestly. All depends what it is. Even in model 12's some will bring 7 grand plus even in canada. Just depends on grade and gauge
My fixed choke 28ga model 12 will buy a dozen of your new guns if I sold it
Cheers
Sorry I seen you changed your post change mine from a dozen to two dozen of the cheap sxp's
which one will need to get the same use out of as I have with my 1965 wingmaster bought new and now has tubes and converted to 3" which was no big deal and will last another 50 years even shooting steelAll that being said the older quality stuff has a smaller and smaller market every year as those that appreciate them age and die off. It is not just guns I am seeing it big time in muscle cars
Just my 2 cents
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Honestly. All depends what it is. Even in model 12's some will bring 7 grand plus even in canada. Just depends on grade and gauge
My fixed choke 28ga model 12 will buy a dozen of your new guns if I sold it
Cheers
Sorry I seen you changed your post change mine from a dozen to two dozen of the cheap sxp's
Just my 2 cents
You're misinterpreting to try and prove yourself correct.
The OP mentioned that his two model 12 12 gauge field gun didn't sell, not his very rare 28 gauge model 12.
I'm no sure who the market is for old field pumps, I've never found it
Man everything I post you tear into. I only gave a comment. WTF about correct. I could not care less
This goes way back doesn't it and I recall when
Is that butt hurt ever going to heal with you then again you did own a 79 ford so that says it all
On the market you never found it since you never owned / sold enough of them to experience it when it was hot and it was even 10 years ago for even base model 12's
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I can tell you for certain that 10 years ago the market was deal for model 12s, it's even deader now.
I can only speak from experience where a lot of older gun guys cart around model 12s with a high price tag because they remember the good ol days when they sold well. But times have changed, technology and regulations have changed, and those old field grade 12s have a very limited market.
Now get me a 16 or a 20 and I can turn a profit in a day or two
Back in the 80's I felt Model 12's were way over priced as a working shotgun compared to other pumps on the market. I feel they are in the right price range today. They are a wonderfully machined complicated outdated firearm... as sad as that is to say.
Ya well it was 10 years ago I joined here which is why I quoted 10 years and I sold off my entire collection of them on the EE mainly field guns less four I still own in the first months I joined and didnot have to bump one EE listing and got what I wanted also. So much for your experience 10 years ago
Then again maybe yours were trash so didnot sell. Mine had no issues on the EE and their was over 10 of them
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Honestly. All depends what it is. Even in model 12's some will bring 7 grand plus even in canada. Just depends on grade and gauge
My fixed choke 28ga model 12 will buy a dozen of your new guns if I sold it
Cheers
Sorry I seen you changed your post change mine from a dozen to two dozen of the cheap sxp's
All that being said the older quality stuff has a smaller and smaller market every year as those that appreciate them age and die off. It is not just guns I am seeing it big time in muscle cars
Just my 2 cents
I didn't edit my post, so I don't know where that's coming from.
Maybe you are right some people are willing to pay big bucks for the older, nicer quality stuff. What I'm saying is that after spending 300$ for the gun, 200 for threading the barrel and buying removable chokes, another hundred at least to chamber it in 3 inch (where you are in brand new Browning BPS territory money wise), will you be chugging this gun along in the marsh or the brush? Probably not. It's probably a range toy for sunny days a few times a year.
I should edit my post to say that very few people are willing to pay more for these than for a brand new modern pump.
I missed the sxp $370 I guess. Sorry that is what I was referring to for edit
I agree with you on the most people today
Cheers
Someone will have to fill me in on why remington 31s have no following or name recognition. There seems to be a great many guys who will buy and stack 870s, but the 31 has no interest.
If one were to wind back the clock 50 years, did guys collect these or was it the same then.
If one were to wind back the clock 50 years, did guys collect these or was it the same then.
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There aren't many who appreciate the older guns anymore.
At least less and less these days as time passes. There's a couple clear reasons for that.
It's hard to sell a near 70 year old fixed config gun to a 20-30 year old that can get a brand new, modifiable, choke/barrel swapping Rem 870 Express for around $450 CAD MSRP
I'm an oddball. At 34 years old I see a good working condition Model 12 for $300 and I get an erection and weak in the knees lol I know the value of them especially the build quality, attention to detail in assembly, quality of steel and materials etc etc
But I'm not the norm.
There's mountains of modern mass produced rifles and shotguns now, selling for way less than what some people are asking for ancient well used models (Win 1894 prices......people asking $800 for a run of the mill lever they made 7.5 million of lol!)
I know this is not what a lot of older guys want to hear, but it is the reality. Its an unrealistic expectation sadly that just because "they don't make them like that anymore!" doesn't mean that anyone born after 1985 cares.
You can expect this to only get worse if anything.
If the prices are fair, people will still buy them. But guys trying to hock beaten 1894's for $600 to $1K et al are living on a different planet now.
Just my observations as a "younger generation" gun owner who also still loves the old time guns and designs (proud owner of a Model 12, Stevens 311, Win Mod 72, Cooey 600) and also modern ones.
At least less and less these days as time passes. There's a couple clear reasons for that.
It's hard to sell a near 70 year old fixed config gun to a 20-30 year old that can get a brand new, modifiable, choke/barrel swapping Rem 870 Express for around $450 CAD MSRP
I'm an oddball. At 34 years old I see a good working condition Model 12 for $300 and I get an erection and weak in the knees lol I know the value of them especially the build quality, attention to detail in assembly, quality of steel and materials etc etc
But I'm not the norm.
There's mountains of modern mass produced rifles and shotguns now, selling for way less than what some people are asking for ancient well used models (Win 1894 prices......people asking $800 for a run of the mill lever they made 7.5 million of lol!)
I know this is not what a lot of older guys want to hear, but it is the reality. Its an unrealistic expectation sadly that just because "they don't make them like that anymore!" doesn't mean that anyone born after 1985 cares.
You can expect this to only get worse if anything.
If the prices are fair, people will still buy them. But guys trying to hock beaten 1894's for $600 to $1K et al are living on a different planet now.
Just my observations as a "younger generation" gun owner who also still loves the old time guns and designs (proud owner of a Model 12, Stevens 311, Win Mod 72, Cooey 600) and also modern ones.
Once again I am not sure where you get no following or no name recognition. Those who worked on them or owned one sure remember the quality they had
and still own it a lot of times
I still have a set of three in my collection 12,16 and 20 and know guys that still have some and watch for the smaller gauges still especially the 20
I know Struff55 will say the model 12 was better
but he also will admit the model 31 was a fine gun. Boils down to ford and chevy IMOOff the top of my old head The 31 was expensive when it came out and there was three different versions in 31,34 and 41 and barrels etc would not interchange
They were the gold standard for pump shotguns even today and smooth as glass. Like on ball bearings as many say
They also had mostly hand fitted parts and were not for the average Joe to take one apart and get it back together in fact a real pain for even experienced individuals
Their production numbers was low only over a few years compared to the wingmaster and smaller gauges were very hard to find so no one doesn't see many today in the hands of the average shotgun owner
121,000 12-gauge models made and 75,000 16- and 20-gauge vs how many million 870's 12 million plus now
Must be some old fart like me around you that has one buried. Ask him to shoot it and you will see immediately what I mean for smooth. You won't buy that today for any price in any model
Once again my 2 cents
About 4 years ago this one NEW missing the box was for sale state side a 31TC and the interest was very very high and priced way out of my budget but it sold
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1 k gets you a off shore piece of junk that will fail guaranteed.
I know of one for sure still fix many of them . The thing is they rarely need fixing compared to what’s on the market today . Express rems that don’t work right out of the box and every other off sure gun I see every day at the store that being said I don’t bother fixing them the customer must send them to the warranty depot
Well all that being said guys I paid over 2 k for a gun built in1919 at the show and there is a new gun on any store shelf that has the quality of this gun . Also just like some of the EE sellers this gun would sell in the USA for 5K us . I already had a offer from a fellow on a us site let’s just say a site that is devoted to sxs’s Canada is not a shotgun nation that’s how it is and the comment about 1 k for a new semi proves it . No did to any one that is just the way it is . Not everyone drives the same trucks some people still drive Fords and dodges. One day they will discover chevy’s and live happily ever after
And you know how the silver evolved??
Well
Fabrique Nationale owns both the Browning and Winchester firearm brands . Before the silver was the gold or super x 2 winchester
The design team started with a broken down vintage winchester super x1 in front of them and went from there
Yes the newer silvers and x3 have changed gas systems etc and unlike the x1 have a lot of stamped, plastic, and aluminum parts,,,,but the basic design originated based on the old Winchester Super X1.
The best semi ever made so no wonder the golds and silvers work well
I'm not sure what that has to do with a soft market for old pump guns but it's always appreciated.
I do quite like the silver, it does everything I need for half the price of other new autos and yet handles modern loads without a hitch.
Better value than a used 300 dollar pump gun that requires expensive short chambered ammunition.
