ED's Red?
- Thread starter TrxR
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May as well read "Ed's" thoughts on that for yourself - under some circumstances, that is what he recommends, but it has consequences:
https://www.vkhgc.ca/documents/Ed gun cleaner.pdf
https://www.vkhgc.ca/documents/Ed gun cleaner.pdf
i have used eds red for many years. i use wipeout for copper and eds for everything else including wiping the exterior and general lubrication. i use synthetic trans oil in the mix as i still have a couple of litres left. buy a litre of the four components and you will be set for years. mix small amounts as the acetone evaporates easily.
I use Ed's Red Bore Cleaner when I infrequently clean my rimfire rifles. I wipe them after every shooting session with a patch moist with Ballistol prior to putting them back into the safe. A dry patch prior to the next shooting session and they are good to go.
I have recently found a recipe for another red mix. This one is 1 part Kroil, 1 part Marvel Mystery oil, 2 parts Hoppes #9. I tried this and was happier with the way it lifted the stuck on stuff in the bore.
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I have recently found a recipe for another red mix. This one is 1 part Kroil, 1 part Marvel Mystery oil, 2 parts Hoppes #9. I tried this and was happier with the way it lifted the stuck on stuff in the bore.
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I have used Amzoil Foaming Engine Tuner and Mercury Quicksilver Power Tune for many years for taking out powder and lead fouling and both work super.
A friend turned me onto the Mercury Tuner after he saw it in Sinclair's catalog.
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A friend turned me onto the Mercury Tuner after he saw it in Sinclair's catalog.
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Your supposed to clean rimfires ??? Check out some Youtube videos from Primal Rights, he has more than a few 22 rimfires with documented round counts of up to 8000 rounds or more without needing any cleaning. Personally, I think you would be starting from square one if you cleaned it as most 22's will shoot better with a fouled barrel. Cleaning the action every once in a while on the other hand isn't a bad idea, but I'd leave the barrel alone.
I know many master class smallbore shooters and bench rest shooters are are as fastidious about cleaning their rimfires as their center fire rifles
How they are cleaned is as important as when
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There's a very practical reason why many experienced shooters used to clean the bore irregularly. That requires a longer answer than appropriate here. But note that I said "used to". That philosophy hasn't been followed by the majority of experienced shooters for decades, and is assuredly not followed by recent or current serious competitive .22LR shooters.
To put it simply, the Primal Rights guy's view to follow as minimal a cleaning schedule as possible is just plain wrong. It's a shame he endorses this view because he gets a lot of clicks on the internet and misleads newer, often more naive, shooters. Note that he's also in a very small minority in endorsing the use of CLR (the Calcium, Lime, and Rust remover) in rifle barrels. (On his recommendation to use CLR, see h t t p s://www.primalrights.com/library/articles/evolution-barrel-cleaning .)
I have used Ed’s red exclusively for about 15 years.
There are better less toxic options out there nowadays that you don’t have to worry about getting on your skin.
Unfortunately they are far more expensive
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Im of the opinion that rimfires should be cleaned far more regularly then centerfire guns. The waxy lube on .22 LR leaves a gummy residue that causes difficulty in chambering and extraction. Some ammunition is worse for this then others. I generally clean my .22s ever 200 rounds.
There are better less toxic options out there nowadays that you don’t have to worry about getting on your skin.
Unfortunately they are far more expensive
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Im of the opinion that rimfires should be cleaned far more regularly then centerfire guns. The waxy lube on .22 LR leaves a gummy residue that causes difficulty in chambering and extraction. Some ammunition is worse for this then others. I generally clean my .22s ever 200 rounds.
How much is too expensive for a bore cleaning solvent? That needs to be put in perspective.
As always, shooters can use whatever solvent they wish -- whether it's Ed's Red or something else -- but they shouldn't be using cost as the justification for their choice because the cost is relatively insignificant.
How much cleaning solvent is needed? I clean my rifles using bore cleaning solvent after each time I shoot with them, and I clean with cleaning solvent after every 100 to 150 rounds. I often use it three times a day at the range. I usually shoot 3 - 4 times a week and use a couple of cases of ammo per season. The majority of .22LR shooters will probably shoot less often and clean less often.
The cost? As an example, a four ounce bottle of Bore Tech Rimfire Blend, one of the more expensive choices, is about $25 and will last me a good part of a shooting season. It will serve many .22LR shooters a season or more. A 16 ounce bottle is available for about $60, delivered to your door. That might last a decade for many shooters who clean less often than I do. I know that would satisfy my needs for several years.
Bore cleaning solvent is certainly not one of the major expenses in the course of rimfire shooting. Shooters should use whatever they want to use, but cost shouldn't be offered as the rationale.
As always, shooters can use whatever solvent they wish -- whether it's Ed's Red or something else -- but they shouldn't be using cost as the justification for their choice because the cost is relatively insignificant.
How much cleaning solvent is needed? I clean my rifles using bore cleaning solvent after each time I shoot with them, and I clean with cleaning solvent after every 100 to 150 rounds. I often use it three times a day at the range. I usually shoot 3 - 4 times a week and use a couple of cases of ammo per season. The majority of .22LR shooters will probably shoot less often and clean less often.
The cost? As an example, a four ounce bottle of Bore Tech Rimfire Blend, one of the more expensive choices, is about $25 and will last me a good part of a shooting season. It will serve many .22LR shooters a season or more. A 16 ounce bottle is available for about $60, delivered to your door. That might last a decade for many shooters who clean less often than I do. I know that would satisfy my needs for several years.
Bore cleaning solvent is certainly not one of the major expenses in the course of rimfire shooting. Shooters should use whatever they want to use, but cost shouldn't be offered as the rationale.
The premium solvents don't cost too much if you're only using them a drop at a time. Bulk solvents like Ed's Red start making sense if you're doing full-immersion cleaning or setting up a parts-washing station (the ones with a pump/sprayer/sump to catch and re-pump the solvent) or anything like that where you want a gallon rather than just one drip at a time on a patch.
This thread is about cleaning solvents for a .22LR rimfire bore. I clean mine effectively and often, and I don't use "a drop at a time". I use it as required, and I can say that some bore cleaning solvent often ends up on the floor.
What are you doing that requires full-immersion cleaning? A rifle that hasn't been cleaned in years? Regular cleaning and maintenance should avoid requiring a cleaning solution in significant volumes at a time, such as the gallon to which you refer. Don't leave cleaning intervals so long as to require bathing the barreled action. No one is shooting corrosive ammo or using the rifle as a WWI-era trench warfare weapon.
IIRC Lilja recommends Butch's Bore Shine.
One might have to use a bottle of each with records to support the superiority over another.
A friend at the SHOT show asked an Anschutz rep about cleaning and was told "Every Case".
The opinion shared suggested more wear and tear via cleaning that shooting.
One might have to use a bottle of each with records to support the superiority over another.
A friend at the SHOT show asked an Anschutz rep about cleaning and was told "Every Case".
The opinion shared suggested more wear and tear via cleaning that shooting.
A PROPERLY cleaned gun will not suffer any wear via cleaning. PERIOD. However the proper equiptment and procedures need to be followed. I think that ,My gun shoots just fine, sums up the whole concept of not needing to be cleaned. Obviously groups of bullets making consistently tiny holes eludes this elite group. Clean firearms are accurate and your gun will let you know when its necessary. Barrel quality as well as ammo will also be a factor!
Cleaning a rifle bore I'm putting enough fluid on each patch to get it wet, and haven't quite endangered my floor. (At least you're not getting any on the ceiling!)
Trying not to get high off the ammonia fumes from the Butch's Bore Shine is another motivator to not be overgenerous with the stuff.
Full-immersion cleaning is still a hypothetical for me, but I've been seriously thinking about it for revolvers and pistols, especially for the bits of powder residue that get in obscure corners. Basically take off the grips and give the thing a good bath.
This thread is about Ed's red, regardless of firearm. - dan
I've been mulling over purchasing a sonic cleaner for the same purpose. I'm thinking I need one big enough to put a Walker in, then I should be good. - dan
No, dan, you're wrong. Here's the OP's question in post #1.
This thread is clearly about Ed's Red in rimfires. If you had read the OP's question you could have avoided a simple mistake.
