Yes and no. See section 15.
The short answer? It depends on where you're at.
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Educate me on Quiet 22 or 17
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The short answer? It depends on where you're at.
Storage, Display, Transportation and Handling of Firearms by Individuals Regulations (SOR/98-209)
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Night shooting is provincial not federal.
Here in BC, the applicable acts for livestock protection allow a LOT of stuff that most of the guys that have the Hunting Regs memorized, would claim are illegal, but are only so if you are HUNTING!
Killing livestock predators, isn't hunting.
Skip trying to be quiet. Worry about safe backdrops and being able to hit what you wish to, and kill it cleanly. Tracking wounded animals in the dark sucks. Having them gimp their way onto the neighbour's lawn before they die, makes for poor relations. Esp. if it was their dog at your livestock.
Here in BC, the applicable acts for livestock protection allow a LOT of stuff that most of the guys that have the Hunting Regs memorized, would claim are illegal, but are only so if you are HUNTING!
Killing livestock predators, isn't hunting.
Skip trying to be quiet. Worry about safe backdrops and being able to hit what you wish to, and kill it cleanly. Tracking wounded animals in the dark sucks. Having them gimp their way onto the neighbour's lawn before they die, makes for poor relations. Esp. if it was their dog at your livestock.
CreamySmooth
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Discharging at night is legal anywhere you can legally discharge a firearm, except for hunting reg exceptions.
CCI Subsonics are what you want! Need a good little bolt action though. They don't cycle semis well and they aren't as quiet.
CCI Subsonics are what you want! Need a good little bolt action though. They don't cycle semis well and they aren't as quiet.
They don't have the distance I'd like. I haven't shot the 50's or the Bolt throwers yet but the 35's at under 25y would drop a tote but anything further it would be ugly.
Starting to think .223 might be the best option was hopeful for the rim fires but punch = noise in firearms.
Forget about CCi quiets,they are only good for coons in the hen house, even the frag rounds. After 25 yards the accuracy starts to go. A lot of rifles just don’t like quiets or the euro version it looks like someone took a shotgun to the target
For coyote problems the best bet is, get a trappers licence, and learn how to run snares. They work 24-7. Check with you agriculture act to see what you can use. Also a single shot from a rifle does not seem to bother most farmers here.
PCP rifles are loud. The big bore PCP's are very loud.
If it's farmland, he may have enough animals (cats dogs whatever) around that it may not be wise for him
I like this option too, I think having something that isn't moving at .223 velocities is a bit smarter for night shooting, in Alberta the treaty 9 laws affecting the first nations people basically says that the rest of the hunting laws dont apply to them, including hunting at night, I've talked to conservation officers here and they've said they can't stop them from shooting at night, but shooting when they can't see the background or backstop would fall under unsafely discharging a firearm, something they could get in trouble for.
What I'm getting at is it's obviously important to see the backdrop for night shooting (yes obvious to some) but there may be situations where you'd be inclined to shoot at a coyote near or along a small ridge and would prefer something that couldn't overshoot as far (like the .223).
Just my two cents, I'm sure many of you are aware, but something to take into consideration for caliber selection.
Cameron SS
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.22LR
Bolt action. No Semis.
Subsonic ammo.
Suppressors are illegal, but barrel extensions are good to go, and do have an effect on the sound and harmonics of the firearm.
Bolt action. No Semis.
Subsonic ammo.
Suppressors are illegal, but barrel extensions are good to go, and do have an effect on the sound and harmonics of the firearm.
Cameron SS
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I have done ballistic tests on expired 8" thick bone-in hams and pot roasts at 200m and there is complete penetration with .22lr subsonic ammo. Sometimes bullet bounces off bone and fragments, other times bones shatter. Cow/pig bone is a lot more solid than a coyote. What do you consider adequate?
For me, adequate, is a round that does not need the target to be at an exact, known distance, before I have a decent chance to hit it.
No matter what the bullet may do IF you hit it, you have to hit it first.
Short of pinning the surrounding area with dozens of range marking stakes, there doesn't seem much of an answer for it. Quiet, and effective, are pretty much mutually exclusive.
If you can legally and safely shoot the animal at night, it seems reasonable to do as decent a job of it as you can.
I can tell you from some long past experiences, that pretty much nobody hears a single shot, let alone has much of an idea where it came from. You are only going to GET one shat at a coyote in the dark, unless you are busy trying to shoot it inside a hen house or similar, so noise isn't as important as the OP think it may be (or, he isn't going to shoot anyway) while safe backstops and knowing your arcs of fire in the darkness is VERY important.
I shoot a fair number of CCI Quiets, and for the use I put them to, they work pretty well. But trying to reach out past 50 or so yards becomes an exercise in Kentucky windage and hold over, as does shooting out past 100 yards with High Vel ammo in my 10/22, unless I dial in out at that range, which is OK in the gopher patch, but makes my rifle not very useful for the purposes I have it for here, around the yard.
What's the drop on a sub-sonic between 50 and 100 yards, with a 50 yard zero, or a 100? And is it reasonable to expect a fella to be able to accurately range a coyote in the dark, accurately enough to hit one for a decent kill?
In the OP's position, which is pretty close to mine here on the farm, other than the population density there, I suspect, I reach for my .223, as if I can put the crosshairs on it, I can hit it at any range that seems even a little bit reasonable.
Cheers
Trev
easyrider604
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The Winchester 69A I had with a 24 or 25" barrel was strangely quiet with Winchester Dynapoint standard velocity 22lr ammo. Muzzle report was not much louder my HW97 air rifle in .22
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